Dear Kay,

You are not actually LOOKING, you are using thoughts to answer. I want you to start LOOKING. Just because you think you know that the AE of ‘breeze on the skin’ is sensation, it is not enough to think it….you have to actually LOOK each and every time.

At first when I read this, I was ...

Dear Kay,


Please go back and read what I wrote...that they are examples. You also don't sit with stuff...you immediately replied and haven't even allowed anything to filter in so you can even contemplate it.


Ok, thanks for pulling me up on that. I will misunderstand you sometimes and do ...

But bringing it back to guiding. Taking it one step further because although it seems the suffering is derived from the story about your sons rejection which is really about your story about being unloveable...the suffering is because you are identifying as a mother, which is identifying as a ...

Hi Kay,

Great. So you are becoming clear to what actual experience is and noticing the thoughts about AE?

Yes

The AE of humming is sound

For me, the AE of humming is feeling sensation (vibration in lips and mouth etc) and sound.

So think of a story that seems to create anger and have a ...

Hi Kay,

I'm back again to answer your questions.


Just break down daily activities into these categories (which are all actual experience) and report back how you go.


I've been doing this on and off for the last couple of days now. I don't manage it all the time – sometimes I'm too busy or ...

Sorry - probably shouldn't have started this at the weekend - I knew I was going to be busy. I haven't ignored your questions and will answer them all properly tomorrow when I have some time again.

E x

Really busy day today I'm afraid - I will reply properly tomorrow.

Ermintrude x

It is good that we both know what expectations, if any, you have about what the realisation of 'no self' means, will bring, will look like etc.

It’s difficult for me to answer because I feel that I have this realisation, but people I respect say that I don’t. So mostly I would like clarity on ...

Great, so the difference between actual experience and thought stories about actual experience is clear?


I think so but please point it out if I'm expressing things wrongly.

Just break down daily activities into these categories (which are all actual experience) and report back how you go.

I ...

Is there really an ‘apple’ here, or only colour and a thought ABOUT ‘apple’?
Can ‘apple’ be found in actual experience?

No, just sense experience and experience of thought.


Taste labelled ‘apple’ is known
Colour labelled ‘apple’ is known
Sensation labelled ‘apple’ is known (when apple is ...

PS Many thanks Maria for guiding me this far, even though we didn’t reach a conclusion. And many thanks Kay for continuing.

Ermintrude xx

What would you like to achieve or obtain by this conversation?

This is the story so far:

E: Will you mentor me?
Mentor: Yes, if you’ve already seen through self
E: There’s no self
Mentor: Sounds good to me, just get it checked out
Faceless group: Can you find a self?
E: nope
Faceless group: “you ...

Yes, let’s continue for the moment. I may not be able to post for a day or too though.

Ermintrude x

Observing eating
Observing defecating
What happens in between?
Who digests?
I can’t see
Is it me, or no one? What’s the difference?

Observing movement
Who makes it happen?
I can’t see.
Movement carries on.

Observing thinking
Who spins these thoughts?
It is hidden.
I can’t see.
Thoughts pass by ...

Dear Maria,

I'm not sure if I can go on with this. I really appreciate your kindness, but we seem to be going in circles.

I don't think you have asked me about my emotions on this thread before. In any case, at the moment, the emotions are frustration and sadness. Tears are falling. Yes, it is ...