I would like a guide please

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Re: I would like a guide please

Postby India » Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:20 pm

If i knew how i would...i'm not a coward...
Your belief and your faith and your opinions and your trust are useless. What you need is honesty. The honesty that asks, "Is this true?" without concern to its consequences. Pondering the ramifications, implications, and results of this is fantasizing and masturbation. Trying to take it down, is also useless, because that's where suicide, homicide, and genocide come from. You don't understand and you come from that perspective to eliminate what you don't agree with. Instead of this, engage with it. Try to get in the mind of someone who absolutely is sure about this. Because as sure as you breathe, that's how sure I am that I don't exist. How could I possibly think that!? 'Tis madness, I know, and I would fain laugh and point at the asylum escapees as you are. I did, not so long ago. I stood in your shoes and marvelled at the insanity of "There is no you.
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What's all that supposed to mean? it's all angry words, harming words...I resent you for it all.

how does that point at anything other than your own aggression?

Have you any idea how hard it is to have the time and space to 'look' when there are two small people who constantly call 'mum' this 'mum' that...when there is not time to think let alone think who is thinking. I am constantly in relation to other people who see something called mum ,partner, friend, colleague...i have no time alone to do this navel gazing bollocks. you tell me how to do this in tescos with kids chattering? how did you do it at work with a boss who';s a bully. or did you have time to sit and navel gaze and to lose yourself? did you? You tell me how

here i am and i'm knackered and i don't want to be mum, or girlfriend, or friend or employee...i'm so tired of it all...so tired of called upon tired and resentful and tearful. and tonight i wish there wasn't a me. my jaw hurts where i've clenched my teeth at night i'm so stressed and you're right...i don't clench them...they clench...and so what? it's hurting and it doesn't matter whether I am tired or there is tired...i'm tired and you sit and tell me i'm a coward. how would you know? I'm here aren't i, typing...

i've no idea why

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Re: I would like a guide please

Postby Rohit » Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:57 am

Hi
I did not mean to be rude :) just wanted to push you a little harder but maybe it did not help.
the only one who's turning this into a "personal problem" is you.

How could anything be a personal problem?

How could it?

Now please stop whining and look at what we're asking

Investigate whether you exist in any way other than as a thought. One way to do this is to examine everything that you think you are in the following way: Am I a body? If so, can a body exist in any way other than as the thought of it? How would I know?
Am I a mind? If so, can a mind exist in any way other than as the thought of it? How would I know?
Am I a …..? etc. In this way, investigate everything that you imagine yourself to be.

much love
-Rohit

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Re: I would like a guide please

Postby India » Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:26 pm

so...i've had toothache...throbbing gum, stiff jaw, pressure under the teeth, tongue keeps finding the hole the dentist drilled...i am in pain. i know the answer should be that there is just pain, but it seems like there is an i...because i become grumpy and tired and just want to curl up and shut down. when i'm in pain i don't want to be a mum, i want to be left alone
i find your approach combatative...like you want to beat the seeing into me...does it need to be so aggressive? what happened to kindness?

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Re: I would like a guide please

Postby Rohit » Tue Dec 25, 2012 4:09 pm

Okkie...we will go slow :) sorry :)
Lets start again....
Here we start:
Write this down on a paper.
There is no self at all in reality. No me that lives my life.
Watch, wait, notice, write- what comes up? Is there fear? Is there doubt? Resistance? Frustration? Something that wants to scream and make a turn away, something that says this is not working? Or maybe there is wow, joy, relief?
Notice all that is going on inside and just put it down in writing.

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Re: I would like a guide please

Postby India » Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:52 pm

Hello I'm back...are you still here? Will you still work with me? Will this notify you? ironic that the last time I made an entry was Xmas day!! Toothache was horrible....lots of things have happened inside and outside of me...painful and calm
so
there is not self at all in reality.no one that lives my life, there is no self at all no one that lives my life...there is no one at all no one that lives my life
so what comes up is the thoughts of jeff Foster and the stuff I've been watching of us...how he invites a sinking into sensation of the body...I've been doing that with all the feelings i've had over the last few months...noticing sadness, feeling sad, taking the label off sad and feeling it in my body and then it seems to disolve.
i looked in the mirror the other night and there was a fraction of a blur...a glimpse of something
i think the way in for me might be through my sense...my body..not my mind...my mind's too clever..
Can you help me start again. Gently?


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