jacki

[Anastacia42]

I hear you.

Stay relaxed.

Do you find any "self" in seeing, hearing feeling etc.?

Loving,

[Quincy]

Do you find any "self" in seeing, hearing feeling etc.?

No, there is only seeing, hearing, feeling, etc. I will look more deeply here.

Thank you.

Love,
Jacki

[Anastacia42]

Good. You can use this.

Explore ‘Sense of Self’

Let’s say that you have lost your keys and you swear that you left them in your coat. You go to look and check all the pockets - the keys are not there. You swear they must be as that was the last place you remember them. You have a vivid memory of putting them there after you left the house. But when you check they are not there. At this point you can keep believing that the keys are in your pocket, or you can admit you were mistaken.

This is just like that. You may see clearly that the self is an illusion but still feel a sense of self - just like the keys. But feeling something to be true and seeing that it is or is not is different. This is why we may find ourselves coming back to your expectations at the start and at the end.

Now, I’d like to ask you to explore this SENSE of self very-very thoroughly. Not by thinking about it, but by FEELING it. Keep the focus of attention on the sense of self and inquire:

Does the sense of self have a location?

Does the sense of self have a shape or a size?

Does the sense of self say or communicate anything?

If the answer is yes, how does the sense do this exactly?

Does the sense of self have any characteristics or attributes?

What is the sense of self ‘made of’? An image? Sound? Taste? Smell? Sensation? Thought?

What is found?

You don't have to do them again, but LOOK. What do they point to? [/color]

Loving,

[Quincy]

Does the sense of self have a location?

Does the sense of self have a shape or a size?

Does the sense of self say or communicate anything?

If the answer is yes, how does the sense do this exactly?

Does the sense of self have any characteristics or attributes?

What is the sense of self ‘made of’? An image? Sound? Taste? Smell? Sensation? Thought?

What is found?

Thank you for this again. I am looking thoroughly. I keep bouncing back into my mind. I will keep at it.

Love,
Jacki

[Anastacia42]

Hi Jacki

Please quote one question at a time and answer (again) underneath. This helps you to focus.

Thank you,

[Quincy]

I will do that. I will get back to you within a couple of days after some investigation.

Love,
Jacki

[Anastacia42]

Okay, but don't "investigate." That's thinking.

Just LOOK.

Loving,

[Quincy]

Hi Stacy,

I will attempt to answer these questions. First I want to tell you that I had a real taste of awakening yesterday. All I can say about it is that it was obvious that it was already here and I laughed out loud, just as you said. It did not last long but that's ok. I know that it's here and I will find my way through. It was not a realization of no self, just a realization of the presence that's already here. This is the only was I can describe it. It was pre-verbal. There were really no words for it except that it was obvious and in a way nothing special. I had a little bit of an exhilarating feeling but that passed.

Here goes:

Does the sense of self have a location?

I cannot locate it.

Does the sense of self have a shape or a size?

No shape or size

Does the sense of self say or communicate anything?

The question doesn't make sense because it can't be located when looked for. The ego wants to say a lot, if that is the same thing as the sense of self.

Does the sense of self have any characteristics or attributes?

I can't actually locate a sense of "i" except in thought, so it has the same characteristics as thought. Just passing clouds in the sky. It arises with thought.

What is the sense of self ‘made of’? An image? Sound? Taste? Smell? Sensation? Thought?

it's made of thought.

What is found?

A belief, which is just a thought

[Anastacia42]

Yes! That is excellent.

It was not a realization of no self, just a realization of the presence that's already here.

And did you find any "self" in that?

Your answers are good.

Loving,

[Quincy]

And did you find any "self" in that?

No, I can't say that I did. If you don't actively think about it, it's not there.
At least I know that I'm not going on blind faith anymore. There's something very real here.

[Anastacia42]

Yes, it's real.

When you can say 100% there's no separate self, we have some questions for you to answer. Other guides will read them &may have questions.

Loving,

[Anastacia42]

FYI if you're interested.

Seeing Through The Self Illusion

20th of August
90 min long

4 pm London
5 pm Paris
8 am San Francisco
11 am New York

Link to all monthly Zoom Meetings

https://us02web.zoom.us/j/9143364592?pw ... VEMHg2Zz09

Monthly group meetings are free. Just come.
If you would like to donate, I would appreciate it. You can do that through PayPal here.

With love,

Ilona

[Quincy]

When you can say 100% there's no separate self, we have some questions for you to answer. Other guides will read them &may have questions.

Ok, I will certainly let you know when that happens!

I would love to attend the Zoom meetings. Unfortunately, Thursdays is the day I have a volunteer job. I wish it was on another day. I got that because I subscribed to the newsletter.

Love,
Jacki

[Anastacia42]

There are others.

Vince Shubert

Weekly Free Meetups (Sydney, Australia time):
(may have changed)

Saturday 9 pm,
Monday 6 am (for paid subscribers - recording only available to attendees)
Wednesday 4 pm (recorded and published on YouTube)
Friday 7 am (recording only available to attendees)

📍Check your local time: www.worldtimebuddy.com

⏱ Countdown timer for the next meeting on: www.wakingupwithvince.com (scroll down)

🧭 It’s always the same Zoom link; you can arrive late or leave early.

Meeting ID: 869 9148 5768
Passcode: 083035

He has a YouTube Channel


Todd & Pernille Lent Damore

Yes, we still have a monthly Inquiry Group that's free, and that they are welcome to join. We actually just had one two days ago.
We also have our Discord community which is free too.

Write to:
unfetteredmindfulness@gmail.com


One model for looking at this is called Ten Fetters. At LU we only cover the first 3. There are groups outside of LU. some led by LU guides. that take it further.

Here is a list of the Fetters;:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetter_(Buddhism)

and some resources:

Christiana Michelberger

https://findingawakening.com/about/


Loving

[Quincy]

Thank you for all these resources!

Love,
Jacki