Do-er Attachment

[TipTop01]

Hi Lubo,

Back from my trip. I'm planning to reply more consistently again going forward.

Now, gently bring your attention to the body. Notice that this "pillowy" sensation is a perception—an image that appears. See if you can also notice how the "ego" makes an identification with this image, creating the idea of "I am." But is there, in reality, a separate "I am" having this experience?

I am trying to toggle between the pillowy-ness & the body. I do not find a separate 'I am' finding pillowy-ness. I can not find a me. I can feel the lips & the lips feel pillowy.

So is there "Santa/Tip - in any shape form alive in this VERY moment

There is no Santa/Tip alive here. What I do find is if I relax my body there is an upwelling of love that feels like it is immersive. Like it is possible to sink into it like a bath.

Is there an Ego in reality at all?

I can not find an Ego. I can find what seems like depth or potential. There is a feeling of excitement about this potential.

Tip

[Lubo]

I Love the way you are sharing

There is no Santa/Tip alive here. What I do find is if I relax my body there is an upwelling of love that feels like it is immersive. Like it is possible to sink into it like a bath.

Yes.
Rest here.
Feel the love and power that holds everything.

The shift from "This is HIM" makes it so easy for the form to fall away. Feel how all the burdens of responsibility and "doing" fall away.

You have arrived!

I want to invite you to watch this video and let the all sistem soften
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irSYziYnvD0

With So much Love,
Lubo

[Lubo]

Hi dear Tip,
What is going on, are you still with me?

Warmly,
Lubo

[TipTop01]

Hi Lubo,
Yes, I am here although seems to be some resistance about engaging. Do not know the reason for this. In part may be that the place right here is beautiful & I feel gratitude & love right here. Unsure what or how to engage in order to shift beyond here. It appears there is further to go & explore but how to move beyond this?

Tip

[Lubo]

It appears there is further to go & explore but how to move beyond this?

Notice the joy and pleasure that everything is here, without the need for it to be.

With Love,
Lubo

[Lubo]

Hi dear Tip,

Are you with me?

We are investigating what is here.
The easiest way is to share your current experience, how do you feel now?
Let's start from here.

The name of the forum is Liberation Unleashed.
What is not liberated at your own Direct experience?

So much love,
Lubo

[TipTop01]

Hello Lubo,

I notice an I that when I check what I notice believes/feels that it is checking. This sounds rather insular but this seems to be the experience. So the idea of sinking in for example, it is not there is sinking in happening on its own it is I am sinking in. But who is the I that is sinking in? It is not here right now in this moment but shifting attention from this moment to the checking of the experience of this moment. And who is it shifting attention? It is me.

Tip

[Lubo]

Hi Tip,
Thank you for the reply

So the idea of sinking in for example, it is not there is sinking in happening on its own it is I am sinking in. But who is the I that is sinking in?

Yes, sinking from the thoughts' story or "movie" to the vast freedom that we are.

And who is it shifting attention? It is me.

Yes. Is it me, Tip, or me, Vast Space?

Just look at yourself and find the clarity that comes from being free of thought's stories.

What is the experience of not being in a story of thoughts? What is it like to become sober?

Can thoughts become sober from the stories they create?

Where can you look to see what you are without any thoughts about it?
Can thoughts look?

So much Love,
Lubo

[TipTop01]

Hi Lubo,

Yes, sinking from the thoughts' story or "movie" to the vast freedom that we are.
And who is it shifting attention? It is me.
Yes. Is it me, Tip, or me, Vast Space?

The experience is the attention shifts between higher & lower. With the eyes open the seeing being seen is up. Then with the eyes closed the sinking occurs. The closing of the eyes or opening of the eyes I believe is by me.

Just look at yourself and find the clarity that comes from being free of thought's stories.

What is the experience of not being in a story of thoughts? What is it like to become sober?

This is like there is a flow of something to offer. Offering focus on others which permits listening. And an openness rather than seeking to conceal or hide behind fear of being seen.

Can thoughts become sober from the stories they create?

So by implication you mean thoughts are intoxicated by their stories. If so, than no thoughts believe the stories they conjure.

Where can you look to see what you are without any thoughts about it?

I don't know how to answer this. I can not find where.

Can thoughts look?

Thoughts arise about looking. But thoughts do not actually look. Like feelings are not words. Words arise about feelings but they are not feelings. Looking can find feelings but words are not feelings. Looking can find thoughts but thoughts are not looking. So, no, thoughts can not look.

Tip

[Lubo]

Hi Tip,

The closing of the eyes or opening of the eyes I believe is by me.

How is the existence of 'me' known? What is its symptom?
Is there a "me" or there is only what is found?

Dig here, deeper and deeper

Love to you,
Lubo

[TipTop01]

Hi Lubo,

How is the existence of 'me' known? What is its symptom?
Is there a "me" or there is only what is found?

Open & closing the eyes. Light to dark, light to dark. Controlling the muscles to open & close the eyes. Is there an individual 'me' controlling the muscles separate to the muscles? No 'me' separate to the muscles can be found. The muscles fire - keeping the eyes open or closing the eyes when the attention is on the muscles the light to dark is perceived. When the attention is not on the muscles they are blinking rapidly to keep the eyes moist. Light to dark is no longer perceived. But it is occurring.

If 'I' focus attention on an action I suddenly claim I am causing the action. But the action continues regardless - blinking, walking, digesting, hearing, breathing. What changes is where the attention lands the 'I' that can not be identified starts claiming responsibility.

With gratitude,
Tip

[Lubo]

Hi dear Tip,

Nice!

Notice this:

Open & closing the eyes. Light to dark, light to dark. Controlling the muscles to open & close the eyes. Is there an individual 'me' controlling the muscles separate to the muscles?

Notice, are the muscles a 'someone'? Are they a doer?
Are they the one that is responsible? Who or what is making all of this (look around) happen exactly in this way?

What changes is where the attention lands the 'I' that can not be identified starts claiming responsibility.

Is there an 'I' that is responsible?
Are thoughts a 'someone'? Are they responsible for something?
Can you find "You"?

Love,
Lubo

[TipTop01]

Hi Lubo,

Notice, are the muscles a 'someone'? Are they a doer?

Notice the muscles, notice the change in light. Notice the neck & shoulders are tight. Did someone make the neck & shoulders tight or are the muscles tight without a someone. There is no someone that is tensing, blinking. There is blinking, there is tensing.

Are they the one that is responsible? Who or what is making all of this (look around) happen exactly in this way?

Is the someone growing the trees? Or do the trees grow. Is the someone growing the body or does the body grow, cells replicate, cells die, bodies die. Does the someone that can not be found cause the body to cease?

Are thoughts a 'someone'? Are they responsible for something?
Can you find "You"?

Are thoughts mine? I can not control thoughts, I can not stop thoughts, I can not predict thoughts. I can hear thoughts. Who is listening to thoughts? Thoughts arise, thoughts pass, thoughts are heard. Thoughts reflect, thoughts do not create.

Tip

[Lubo]

Tip,

Notice the answer that my question is showing you:

Did someone make the neck & shoulders tight or are the muscles tight without a someone

These are the most simple questions. Even children in kindergarten will see what they are showing.

Are the muscles a "someone"? Are they a doer? Is there a "they" at all?! Is there a "they" of "muscles" that can do or tighten or not?!

What about the body? Is there an "it," a body, that can do the growing or not? Is the body a "someone"? Is there an "it" that is the body?!

LOOK at what these questions are pointing to. LOOK at the answer!

So much Love,
Lubo

[TipTop01]

Hi Lubo,

I hear your frustration. And I see that your questions point to that there is no 'someone' or 'they' that causes or does the tightening. The tightening is without any separate entity doing the tightening.

I also find that your questions point to nothing-ness & this brings up more questions in reply.

Tip