with open curiosity and gratitude

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Re: with open curiosity and gratitude

Postby Sol42 » Thu Mar 06, 2025 5:35 am

Hello Magdalena,
waiting for some kind of idea/response, but I got nothing, total blank. Just a ton of quiet.
Can any idea or response be more perfect than this
I believe not, it’s the only question/response, given limited human repertoire. Well, maybe there are more, lol, in which case I hope to stumble upon them sometime.


Again, I don’t know what to say, so will tell you what I’ve been noticing.

It is much quieter, the “hecticness” have been gone all this time. The immediate sensations/experience happen more often, and are somehow, brighter, more real. But this is vague.

What really blows my mind is that the seeker stepped aside. I’m not saying that it left but definitely loosened the grip. It sounds so mundane, but it hit me that this frantic desire to get-somewhere/get-out-of-here has been replaced with something like a quiet wonder about…well, this, everything. Curiosity mixed with awe mixed with gratitude mixed with the feeling of belonging. At that moment, the image/feeling was like when one is in love, the desire to know the lover, while being in the lover’s arms, already. I apologize for the metaphors – can’t describe it otherwise.

I am not blissed out or changed in any big way. Irritation/fear/taking things personally/yes, I did eat the cupcake 😉/etc., etc., - all business as usual. Yet all of it is less “mine”, easier to look at, faster to pass/morph.

And oh, gosh – not that it has special meaning – but yesterday was the first time I actually wanted to sit and meditate. Not even meditate, scratch that lol, just sit. Not because its “good for me/I have to, etc.” – it just feels so good to simply sit, simply sit.

So I am enjoying it as is🤷‍♀️ .

😊

With gratitude,
Sol

PS: I did try to send the photo🐈 in PM - can't find the way to do it :(.

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Re: with open curiosity and gratitude

Postby Magdalena » Thu Mar 06, 2025 6:31 am

Hey,


What a lovely message.😊😊😊


Sounds like that frantic search has given way to simply being here, exactly as it is. Nothing to chase, nothing to escape. Just this. And that’s already enough, isn’t it? Nothing special about it.


No need to push, no need to analyze. The "seeing" is already happening - enjoy it - just enjoy it.


To pick up on your metaphor, has anything ever left "the lover's arms"?


And that cupcake you ate — did it taste any different this time?
Or was it just cupcake-ing, without all the extra baggage? 😉


As for the PM, no worries - it can just as well wait till you get to our facebook group so you can share it with everyone for a good laugh.😉
Warmly,
Magdalena


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Re: with open curiosity and gratitude

Postby Sol42 » Sat Mar 08, 2025 6:39 am

Hello Magdalena,

Sounds like that frantic search has given way to simply being here, exactly as it is. Nothing to chase, nothing to escape. Just this. And that’s already enough, isn’t it? Nothing special about it.
Yes, nothing special at all. As a matter of fact, this OK-ness feels like a normal thing already, as if the desire to “get somewhere” was “real” a year ago, not just a couple of days ago (as if year/day are any different LOL). As for this being already enough – the body says so, the behavior says so, the thoughts disagree LOL. But since I don’t have to listen to them, that’s all right :).

To pick up on your metaphor, has anything ever left "the lover's arms"?
No. The feeling is – no, even though the mind can’t “wrap around it”.

And that cupcake you ate — did it taste any different this time?
Or was it just cupcake-ing, without all the extra baggage?
It was a different experience. Much more LOL intimate somehow. immediate. And yes, it happened without Sol.

Overall, it is still quiet. The mind refuses to focus on things like inquiry or analysis (I am not trying to inquire intentionally, just a habit I guess) – yet no problem focusing on school or work. Calm, clear focus – something that is definitely NOT a habit!

Just remembered, while trying to describe the body state – the feeling of sinking in an armchair when reading the words from Bahiya Sutta you sent. This is how it feels. As if the frayed nervous system got a break and is just soaking it in, resting. Anxiety comes up once in a while, but it doesn’t replace the resting, it appears and goes away on the background of resting.

Not doing anything, just going about my day, listening to the body and intuition. Intuition says: just chill.

As for the PM, no worries - it can just as well wait till you get to our facebook group so you can share it with everyone for a good laugh.
Sounds good.

With gratitude,
Sol

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Re: with open curiosity and gratitude

Postby Magdalena » Sat Mar 08, 2025 7:00 am

Hey Sol,


Sounds good to me - just chill. 🙂🙂🙂 Hell yeah!


At this point, we normally offer people our so-called checkpoint questions to see if there's anything that still needs looking at.


Would you like to have a go at these questions?
Warmly,
Magdalena


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Re: with open curiosity and gratitude

Postby Sol42 » Sun Mar 09, 2025 2:33 am

Hello Magdalena,
Sounds good to me - just chill. 🙂🙂🙂 Hell yeah!
:)!!!
Would you like to have a go at these questions?
Lets do it, see what comes up :)

With gratitude,
Sol

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Re: with open curiosity and gratitude

Postby Magdalena » Sun Mar 09, 2025 3:50 am

So, here goes. 🙂

Please answer all the questions from your current seeing, without going into theoretical concepts.


1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?


2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.


3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.


4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?


5) Describe
- decision,
- intention,
- free will,
- choice and control.


What makes things happen? How does it work? Give examples from experience.


What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
Warmly,
Magdalena


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Re: with open curiosity and gratitude

Postby Sol42 » Sat Mar 15, 2025 1:26 am

Hello, Magdalena :)

Thank you for bearing with me! Here are the answers. Please let me know whether anything needs elaboration/clarification. I gave the answers as they feel the most natural and complete at the moment, but many things feel assumed by now, so I am happy to elaborate if necessary.

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
No, no separate self. Can’t be found anywhere, and never was there. When I try to find it now, there is a vague sense of a sort of an outline which doesn’t feel “animated” – just a structure for functioning in the world.

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
The way I see it now: I was born and in the course of development adopted numerous labels and concepts about “myself”. There was no other way. This collection of identifiers was perceived as characteristics of something true and really existing – myself. The constant sense of incompleteness of this entity, frequent shifting of characteristics, inability to “put my finger on it” have been a source of constant discontent and uncertainty. Something felt wrong, something key, fundamental. Desperate attempts to analyze myself, to change myself felt like trying to map out a large hall, filled to the brim with debris and furniture, in complete darkness, by touch. To answer the question, the illusion of separate self is taking the collection of labels for something that real.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
To see this feels comfortable, natural, as a release/relief on a somatic level. There are many changes, for example, less thoughts about “me”, like the subject that was at the forefront of attention all this time, became not interesting. Hardly any rumination about the past or thoughts about the future, except for practical needs. The sense of urgency and constant background anxiety about the things “I need to do” is gone. Urgency comes up, anxiety comes up, but they are just that, not overpowering, not “mine”. Things are being done, sometimes not, and all feels well on a deep level.

Another thing, which only now comes to mind: Sol has always been obsessed with psychological processes within as well as the meaning on life, universe and everything haha. Now, there is just a “take it or leave it” curiosity about both. No compulsion to dig and dig for an answer within or ask and ask for an answer from without. It is just all right, even when it feels painful. There is no fear about not being able to function well without a self, because nothing really changed, not in the "real world", just like background noise noticed with a relief, only when it's gone. The other day it hit me that I am not suffering. There is suffering, of course, it's just not the same, like a difference between imagining biting into a lemon and actually doing it. There is a sense of awe and wonder, very quiet, without exaltation yet bigger than ever experienced before, even in my most exalted moments.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
In the last long message from you, there was a phrase “keep spinning the stories of Sol's suffering”. Somehow, it just hit. We’ve talked about stories so many times, but this time it snagged at something. Maybe just a different angle – I knew that MY stories were just stories, but when I read that these were Sol’s stories, in this particular wording, it created what felt like a tear, like a degree of separation. It is so difficult to describe, especially using words like separation lol. The thought was “Holy shit, these stories have, like, nothing to do with me, who IS this Sol, anyway, why this obsession with some stranger's stories?!”

5) Describe
- decision,
Something that the mind claims as its initiative when the action has been long underway already. What the word “decision” is applied to, I simply don’t know. The best definition that comes up right now is the unfolding of what is that mind needs to find an explanation for.

- intention,
Same thing, different flavor (lol, isn't everything?!) in terms of the mind’s way to categorize things. A label slapped onto an arising impulse to do something, most of the time, again, “caught and labeled” when the doing (or the sensation of intending to do) is already happening.

- free will,
The sweetest and the most oppressing illusion of “me”, lol! Sol’s belief that something depends on Sol. The concept of free will makes perfect sense in terms of functioning in this perceived reality, like any other concept, but it’s just, well, can’t be found. Seeing this feels like a relief.

- choice and control.
What “me” sees as its choice is a natural confluence of innumerable factors the mind can’t understand or imagine. As a metaphor, “choice” is a one-digit solution of a volumes-and-volumes-long math problem, that “me” grabs and claims as “mine”: “yes, this is the answer, because I say so, duh”, unaware of the math problem or of the fact that the solution is interim, and the math problem will go on and on and on.

What makes things happen? How does it work? Give examples from experience.
Hahaha, I don’t know! :) I have no clue! Things happen, that’s all. It all happens, or not, which is the same – I wake up in the morning, pick jam for my toast, say something as I say it, experience an emotion, feel a desire to do one thing or another, fall asleep – these things just happen. What made “me” type the last few sentences the way I did? What made my cat try to climb on my keyboard right now? Sol will have many explanations, but even those, if run to the end of the logical chain, eventually run out and nothing is left but THIS, what is, the way it is.

What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
Nothing. There is a functional responsibility (function of me structure/avatar) – like, Sol is responsible for taking care of her cats. No responsibility otherwise – no one to BE responsible.


With gratitude,
Sol

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Re: with open curiosity and gratitude

Postby Magdalena » Sat Mar 15, 2025 5:17 am

Hey Sol,

Thanks for your replies.
They will now be read by other guides who may have some questions - or not.

Meantime, let's enjoy a cupcake or two. 🧁😉🧁
Warmly,
Magdalena


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Re: with open curiosity and gratitude

Postby Magdalena » Sat Mar 15, 2025 1:01 pm

Hey Sol,


It appears that the Gateless Gate has been crossed, but is there a Gate? And is there anyone to cross it? And is this an end, a beginning, or both? 😉


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See you on the other side. 🙂🙂🙂
Warmly,
Magdalena


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Re: with open curiosity and gratitude

Postby Sol42 » Sun Mar 16, 2025 12:39 am

Hello Magdalena,

Just a big smile here...!

I can't thank you enough and cant wait to see you "on the other side"!

With (enormous) gratitude,
Sol


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