I'm ready to be "liberated"!

[eggroll1988]

Read this please................. read it slowly, read it mindfully, fully present. If there is noone reading this sentence, then what is doing the reading?

a consciousness that has no self? i dont know really...

[eggroll1988]

there is a physical system (the brain, the eyes), that processes the information and relays it to the consciousness. the physical therefore is notihng but a medium to the selfless consciousness.

[cosmiK]

a consciousness that has no self? i dont know really...

Nick... you are guessing and speculating. Remember the rules - answer from Direct Experience. Remember the model - 5senses + 1mind. Do not Guess. Just Experience.

Look to your Experience.

Read this please.................again.......... read it slowly, read it mindfully, fully present. If there is noone reading this sentence, then what is doing the reading?

[cosmiK]

there is a physical system (the brain, the eyes), that processes the information and relays it to the consciousness. the physical therefore is notihng but a medium to the selfless consciousness.

these are thoughts, and stories, and your believing thoughts again. LOOK IN YOUR DIRECT EXPERIENCE.

[eggroll1988]

ick... you are guessing and speculating. Remember the rules - answer from Direct Experience. Remember the model - 5senses + 1mind. Do not Guess. Just Experience.

Look to your Experience.

Read this please.................again.......... read it slowly, read it mindfully, fully present. If there is noone reading this sentence, then what is doing the reading?

this question is impossible to answer... there is no one....

[cosmiK]

this question is impossible to answer... there is no one....

Nick... GOOD...

contemplate this...

In seeing, there is only the seen.
In hearing, there is only the heard.
In feeling, there is only the felt.
In tasting, there is only the tasted.
In smelling, there is only the smelled.
In thinking, there is only thought.

So... on seeing and reading the above...

WHO or WHAT is doing the seeing, and reading?

In the experience of this, right now, who or what is doing the experiencing Nick????

DO NOT GUESS or SPECULATE. Answer from DIRECT EXPERIENCE.

[eggroll1988]

WHO or WHAT is doing the seeing, and reading?

In the experience of this, right now, who or what is doing the experiencing Nick????

there is nothing seeing or reading. only the thing being seen and the thing being read.
no one is experiencing nick

[cosmiK]

Nick... GOOD...

Can you see that the there is only an assumption of a perceiver? of a looker? of a hearer? we take 6 sense streams and combine them, interpret them through thought, and assume there is a separate watcher, awareness, consciousness, self.

Now.. to be sure my friend...

Check again.

pick up an object. Look at it. Is there anyone doing the looking?

listen to a sound. Is there anyone or anyTHING doing the looking?

Check again.

[eggroll1988]

pick up an object. Look at it. Is there anyone doing the looking?

listen to a sound. Is there anyone or anyTHING doing the looking?

there is nothing looking at the object... only the object itself...
there is nothing listening but the sound itself...

allt here is is emptiness...

[cosmiK]

Nick...
Excellent...

are there any doubts my friend?

[eggroll1988]

no... i know now there is no such thing as a self....

[eggroll1988]

what now?

[cosmiK]

Okay,

then are you ready for the FINAL questions Nick?

[eggroll1988]

what do u mean by am i ready?.... there is no i....

[cosmiK]

what do u mean by am i ready?.... there is no i....

Nick, we can still use "i, me, mine, and Nick" for conventional purposes and communication. Don't get smart with language please :D

Are you Ready? or would you like to keep looking and checking?