Hi

[Matty317]

To be honest I have arrived at confusion here. I thought I was progressing well with this understanding but I cannot see where I need to be.

Now your response to this I expect is who is the "i" that cannot see or the "i" that is confused.

That coupled with what feels like extreme revelations during this investigation such as all there is is sensations and thoughts appearing, and the body doesn't exist etc.

These discoveries lead me to a place of peace , a place quite different from when I believed my thoughts and that I am a body mind.

But it seems you are hinting at (and other literature I have read within this teaching) that nothing really changes other than the ownership of doing or personal attachment to thoughts is severed.

These 2 states seem worlds apart.

I cant help but look for familiar territory with previous teachings (I know u say ignore this) my thoughts are taking me to this place. I Need redirecting I think.

Are u gonna ask who is the "i"?

[Philosoraptr]

These discoveries lead me to a place of peace , a place quite different from when I believed my thoughts and that I am a body mind

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You are on the right track and those shifts that were experienced are key to taking away the beliefs that you were the thoughts or the body. And there is seeing that those just arise.

Go to that place of peace and ask yourself. Is there anything present in that resting that indicates that you are a person with an age, gender history etc.(unless a thought claims you are something?) Or is there just peace and the functioning of the world and nature and life without a personal history.

But it seems you are hinting at (and other literature I have read within this teaching) that nothing really changes other than the ownership of doing or personal attachment to thoughts is severed.

The peace is a great byproduct of breaking away the false beliefs so yes that occurs. You don't want to believe this because we say it. But have the confidence to go through the steps of doing the exercises when these types of thoughts occur to walk yourself back to the seeing that you cannot be those things like thoughts.

For example: Thoughts will arise that blame me for past actions, and those will take some time for the seeing to happen that these thoughts are habitual traumatic thoughts..theres still a lot of work to be done outside of this to uncondition deeper beliefs.

The familiar territory you seek is for thoughts to have a familiar belief system..see that what we have done here is for you to do the exercises to prove to yourself that what you have seen is true. Re do the exercises of choice, control thoughts and reprove any areas which aren't clear

[Matty317]

Hi Sid,

Just to say I am busy reviewing our communications up to now and (I) am still eager to continue. (I) will let you know when done. Thanks

[Philosoraptr]

Thanks Matty, Take your time and will be waiting whenever you're ready.

[Matty317]

Hi Sid. I feel in a better place now re understanding and clarity of no self. Previous doubts are now seen clearer. The concept of the 5 senses and thoughts arising/contents of thoughts is clear. I must say there has been no major shift though. Expectations of how things will change when no self is seen have fallen away. The story of me is still bubbling away in the background. Anger arises, tonight it arose at kids bed time etc. Assuming tho that is normal for ingrained patterns to show their strength.?

[Philosoraptr]

Hi Marty, I missed the notification in my email but just seeing this.

Good to hear. Yes a major shift is an expectation and there have been many aha momenta throughout and those are clear enough.

The seeing of the 'me' thought pattern is the key step in loosening the hold of certain types of deeper emotions. Once we complete here, them there are deeper enquires that you can go into with guides to start to look at negative emotions.those parts of the forum will be unlocked you have cleared up no self. You will need to answer some questions and those will help us understand if there are any sticking points.

Shall I post those final questions?

[Matty317]

Ok then yes please do.

[Philosoraptr]

Hi Matty, Been having issues logging into LU this week. How are you doing? Has there been any other shifts or changes in thoughts arising and the" seeing"arising, of the empty content of them? Seeing is available at all times, but being caught in thoughts is normal and isn't anyone being caught in them

[Matty317]

Hi Sid.

No more shifts have been experienced. If anything a diminishing of clarity of "seeing" tho it still feels certainly like santa has been unmasked and thoughts are seen with less conviction and connection. Tho this seeing seems to be a delicate movement from previous identification rather than any major shout.

[Philosoraptr]

No more shifts have been experienced. If anything a diminishing of clarity of "seeing" tho it still feels certainly like santa has been unmasked and thoughts are seen with less conviction and connection. Tho this seeing seems to be a delicate movement from previous identification rather than any major shout

Hi Matty, Is it seen clearly that a thought is empty of a self? That the I in thought refers to the Santa, a story, a character with constant stream of compliants, using situations to narrate events in a supposed past or present?

Can you tell me what Matty is?

[Matty317]

Hi Sid,

Just writing to say that I am still around and still wanting this investigation to continue. I will reply to your last message when I catch up . Hope that's ok?

Matty

[Philosoraptr]

All good take your time

[Matty317]

Is it seen clearly that a thought is empty of a self?

Yes it is seen clearly , usually not in the moment tho.

That the I in thought refers to the Santa, a story, a character with constant stream of compliants, using situations to narrate events in a supposed past or present?

Yes seen clearly but again not in the moment.

Can you tell me what Matty is?

Matt is a name given to to this body at birth. A name this mindbody responds to and when caught in thought identifies itself with me/i/Santa. It is the label of the fictional story that this life pretends to be.

[Philosoraptr]

Yes it is seen clearly , usually not in the moment tho.

Are 'you' doing anything to make this seeing happen?

Matt is a name given to to this body at birth. A name this mindbody responds to and when caught in thought identifies itself with me/i/Santa. It is the label of the fictional story that this life pretends to be.

What is it that gets caught in thought?

[Matty317]

Are 'you' doing anything to make this seeing happen?

No the seeing just happens.

What is it that gets caught in thought?

The mind/body story of a me