Is it possible to see this?

[xyzzy]

The only thing I really know is that this experience exists. Everything else is beliefs, logical conclusions, memories. You can know that experience is happening because... it's happening right now. It's here.

THIS IS IT !
To know this, to live this, to experience EVERYTHING from this vantage point, IS IT.
Do you REALLY KNOW ?, or are they just words ?
The evidence isn't in the mind (it will say all sorts of crazy stuff) The evidence is in experiencing.
Because of conditioning you probably wont experience a clean, 100% shift, immediately, but you will have glimpses or snatches of experiencing from this new perspective.
Choice (the illusion of) disappears and you do what is in front of you, what needs to be done, gets done.
What is your experiencing ?

Oh, I don't experience life from this perspective.

I'm not sure what you're asking about when you ask "what is your experiencing?".

[vinceschubert]

I don't experience life from this perspective.

Why not ?
What stops that from being the normal ?
Do you consider this perspective in normal daily life ?
Have you had glimpses of this perspective ?
Has the thought arisen before, during or after an intense reaction to a situation, the thought about this perspective and that caused the intensity to evaporate ?
This is what i was asking about your experiencing.

[xyzzy]

I don't experience life from this perspective.

Why not ?
What stops that from being the normal ?
Do you consider this perspective in normal daily life ?
Have you had glimpses of this perspective ?
Has the thought arisen before, during or after an intense reaction to a situation, the thought about this perspective and that caused the intensity to evaporate ?
This is what i was asking about your experiencing.

I don't know what it would be like to experience life from the perspective that the only thing I know is this experience. I don't consider it during my daily life. I don't know if I've had glimpses of it or not.

You asked, "Has the thought arisen before, during or after an intense reaction to a situation, the thought about this perspective and that caused the intensity to evaporate ?" I don't remember anything like that ever happening.

When I said that the only thing I really know is that this experience is happening, that's obviously true, but it doesn't affect my life in any way.

[vinceschubert]

the only thing I really know is that this experience is happening,

Ok, you have obviously reached this conclusion logically. That means that your experiencing is heavily influenced by thoughts. It means that reality is distorted by preconceived images of it. You relate to people by your thoughts about them. In fact you relate to your thought and not the person. (pretty heavy, aye?)
Do this; sit quietly somewhere.
Notice your breath coming in and going out.
Notice thoughts arise and evaporate.
Notice sensations in the body.
Look around. See objects. Notice mind labeling some of them.
All of this is normal an familiar, isn't it ?
This IS experiencing. This is reality. Both your experiencing and what (the content) of your experiencing is reality.
How ordinary is that ?
Now have an opinion (notice if one already exists) about what you have just done.
Here is where the distortion starts.
The opinion has emotional responses.
Next time you have the same experience, you remember the emotional response that happened and immediately relate to that. Not the experience but the memory of the response.
What happened to reality ?

[xyzzy]

Do this; sit quietly somewhere.
Notice your breath coming in and going out.
Notice thoughts arise and evaporate.
Notice sensations in the body.
Look around. See objects. Notice mind labeling some of them.
All of this is normal an familiar, isn't it ?
This IS experiencing. This is reality. Both your experiencing and what (the content) of your experiencing is reality.
How ordinary is that ?
Now have an opinion (notice if one already exists) about what you have just done.
Here is where the distortion starts.
The opinion has emotional responses.
Next time you have the same experience, you remember the emotional response that happened and immediately relate to that. Not the experience but the memory of the response.
What happened to reality ?

Yes, when I am thinking about things and having opinions about things, I am focused primarily on the thoughts and feelings and not noticing the rest of my experience. Although, I have almost no memory for experiences, so I'm not sure how much the memory part of what you said applies. I don't remember experiences whether I am focused on my thinking or not.

[vinceschubert]

Experiencing is NOW. The memory of that is an experience.
Experiencing doesn't require recording. (only the consequences do)
That experiencing is IT. Even if that experiencing is of thoughts and opinions (more thoughts). The distortion is when the CONTENT of thought carries you off into a story.
If your experiencing includes awareness of the fact that thoughts are occurring, then you won't get carried away.
Do you experience this ?

[xyzzy]

Experiencing is NOW. The memory of that is an experience.
Experiencing doesn't require recording. (only the consequences do)
That experiencing is IT. Even if that experiencing is of thoughts and opinions (more thoughts). The distortion is when the CONTENT of thought carries you off into a story.
If your experiencing includes awareness of the fact that thoughts are occurring, then you won't get carried away.
Do you experience this ?

I'm sure that the content of thought carries me off into a story.

[vinceschubert]

I'm sure that the content of thought carries me off into a story.

When you say that "your sure that...", it sound like you don't see this, but that you Think that this happens.
Have you seen it happen ?
Can you see it happening ?

[xyzzy]

I'm sure that the content of thought carries me off into a story.

When you say that "your sure that...", it sound like you don't see this, but that you Think that this happens.
Have you seen it happen ?
Can you see it happening ?

Much of the time, I'm thinking about various things, and I'm not focused on sights, sounds, physical sensations. While this is happening, there isn't any awareness that this is happening, there's just awareness of the thoughts and whatever emotion is going along with them. Obviously the sights and sounds are still there, but I am not noticing them.

[vinceschubert]

there's just awareness of the thoughts and whatever emotion is going along with them.

Ok, let's burrow down a bit. Is there awareness that thoughts and emotions are happening, or is there complete involvement in them and awareness that they were there, comes later ?

[xyzzy]

there's just awareness of the thoughts and whatever emotion is going along with them.

Ok, let's burrow down a bit. Is there awareness that thoughts and emotions are happening, or is there complete involvement in them and awareness that they were there, comes later ?

Complete involvement in them, and awareness that they were there comes later.

[vinceschubert]

and awareness that they were there comes later.

Alright, that's good. Most people never have awareness.
What is your response when awareness happens ?
Gratitude for seeing it, and humor that it occurred is a great response.
As skill develops with this, you will become aware before and during the 'sucked in' experiencing.
Opinions and judgements are not appropriate.

[xyzzy]

and awareness that they were there comes later.

Alright, that's good. Most people never have awareness.
What is your response when awareness happens ?
Gratitude for seeing it, and humor that it occurred is a great response.
As skill develops with this, you will become aware before and during the 'sucked in' experiencing.
Opinions and judgements are not appropriate.

Ok, but... how to see that there is no me?

[vinceschubert]

how to see that there is no me?

Do you see a me with your physical eyes ?

[xyzzy]

how to see that there is no me?

Do you see a me with your physical eyes ?

Obviously not. The belief that there is a me goes on, though.