Or maybe I don't understand this completely.maybe this is only understood this on an intellectual level.
"The Self" knows you're getting close and trying to distract you from seeing the truth, by throwing out questions and doubt...I'll answer these questions BUT, I need you to focus and take this next excercise seriously to get to the core of this truth...For one, what is the difference between "I" and no "I"? If a human attacks another human, does anger still arise? How is all suffering supposed to disappear?
How? I can't choose my thoughts.Liberation doesn't make someone emotionally steril..Just the ability to see that life lives itself and you can pick and choose your thoughts without being separate from life around you...
This doesn't work for me :( I've tried it several times.. and I tried it in the past as well. It isn't real enough for me to emulate.Alright, now please attempt this uninterrupted...pick a quite time and spot...( preferably in a bed.) Okay, now "project" your self in the future (Don't pretend...but visualize this being as real as possible.) and you're approaching death, and alone in this exercise. (Not in a horrible situation.) You've lived a full life, and accepted the fact death is imminent....Now think....your body is weakening...Your breathing is waning...Your mind is letting go... Tell me the rest....
Liberation doesn't make someone emotionally steril..Just the ability to see that life lives itself and you can pick and choose your thoughts without being separate from life around you...
I guess you can call it a by-product of liberation, viewing the world differently, with ramped up awareness.How? I can't choose my thoughts.
Okay then tell me, what did you come up with? Real or not...This doesn't work for me :( I've tried it several times.. and I tried it in the past as well. It isn't real enough for me to emulate.
Thoughts like "This isn't real" and "This isn't working" happened, if that is what your asking. I imagined myself dying but I was still there.Okay then tell me, what did you come up with? Real or not...
Becoming reborn?What does death represent, in it's corelation in becoming liberated?
Letting go...Becoming reborn?
I haven't seen it, but I think I would start by asking them to note experience and tell me if the "I" in these experiences is real or assumed. If they don't find evidence of it but believe it was real I will tell them they never always had an "I" and hopefully that would raise suspicion. I don't think there was ever a self.Hey noob...
Letting go...Becoming reborn?
Letting go of everything that you identify with, connect with, and recognize as your "former" Self.
Basically it's realizing (without a doubt.) There's No-Self...
Okay now...a couple more questions..
How would you explain this to someone who hasn't seen it?
Was there ever a self?
A background of my life? I grew up in my head and I was never a "life" person. I fear the idea of becoming nothing after death, so that is one reason why I want to see this "indestructible awareness" or whatever.Okay Ali...
Let's back up a little bit, give me a little background about Ali, and please include what you feel is holding you back so we can address where your at...
Not to undermine what we're doing here but, intellectually you understand there is No-you, there was no you before you were born, there's no You now, and the same after death...I fear the idea of becoming nothing after death, so that is one reason why I want to see this "indestructible awareness"
Once you 'let go' of all these thoughts ( seeing them for what they are "illusions".) you will realize that you are NOT your thoughts, they're only references. And you can get on with living life.A background of my life? I grew up in my head and I was never a "life" person. or whatever.
Catch these thoughts and ask " is this true in real life?"....I is only a reference it points back to nothing. Try it.I say that I don't exist outside of thought but "I" keeps resurfacing and I feel this isn't doing anything at all.
Of course!! It's just seeing and understanding ( and Practiceing ) there's "nothing" behind this vail of thoughts...My characteristics, likes/dislikes, etc. do they exist without an "I"?
I don't know how to bow down to fear.. but at the moment I don't fear it. When I say that, for example, I moved my hand something like this that confuses me sometimes.Good morning Ali...
After my last post did you get to introspectively look at these fears and doubts?
The Self seems to have you at stand off, we need to push harder to circumvent this, your getting close and The self doesn't want you see the truth...Once you see it's game over.
Tell me what's coming up?
It's a physical connection to thoughts...A reaction from what ever fear your're experiencing, call it a reflex.I don't know how to bow down to fear.. but at the moment I don't fear it. When I say that, for example, I moved my hand something like this that confuses me sometimes.
The body = An organism... a slave to the brain.Organism = I
Organism moves hand = I moves hand
The second line was about other thing you quoted sorry I should have connected that sentence with that. I'm not experiencing fear, just confusion.Hey Ali...
I'm glad your not giving up! Hang tough this will happen...
It's a physical connection to thoughts...A reaction from what ever fear your're experiencing, call it a reflex.I don't know how to bow down to fear.. but at the moment I don't fear it. When I say that, for example, I moved my hand something like this that confuses me sometimes.
Embrace the fear, remember its a thought, consider reflecting on it like watching a rerun on T.V. But this time get in touch with it and look at what's behind it. Don't just come to a conclusion GO THERE, and REALLY LOOK, this MUST take place in order for you to understand...
The brain gives it instructions to make it move.The body = An organism... a slave to the brain.Organism = I
Organism moves hand = I moves hand
It's living and surviving via the brain...
Is there someone else that's handing out instructions on how to move the hand? or does it move on it's own? Automatically.
Tell me some more on this fear...or doubts... It's okay let's go there together and "clean house" ;^)
This is something you have learned.The brain gives it instructions to make it move.
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