Hello Stello,
Reading through he thread is always beneficial as it helps to clear things up and there is a ‘bringing together’ of what has been pointed at and understood/seen. So I am glad it was beneficial for you. I even recommend reading through after ‘gating’, especially when doubts and confusion appear…because they will still appear, at least for a time!
Here are my responses to your last post and to the question you asked about a ‘sense of Stello’
LOOK very carefully at this. How is it known that thoughts are different?
Thought says so and I believe it, because if I don't believe my thoughts or if I question them, fear arises and the thought that I won't be able to function in this world anymore.
So there is a belief that somehow no thoughts will ever appear again? Is that not a thought also?
If ‘fear’ is still appearing about this, go back to the instructions I gave you about being with ‘fear’.
The content of thought is more thought and thought in and of itself is meaningless but is an appearance in/of THIS. Thoughts, if seen as individual thoughts seemingly appear and disappear because of their assigned meaning…but when ignoring what thoughts says about thoughts…does thought itself appear and disappear?
No. When I ignore what thought says about thoughts, then thought does not appear and disappear.
It seems that I am not able to ignore every thought that comes up. Some thoughts are easy to ignore, while others appear to be way too essential to be ignored. Those are the ones that are giving me a hard time to LOOK.
And how is it known that “some thoughts are easy to ignore, while others appear to be way too essential to be ignored”? Because a thought said so?
Are you the author of thought? Are you able to predict which thoughts will appear and when they will appear?
Where does one colour end and another begin?
I don't understand this question.
Where is the dividing line in colour? Everywhere you look there is colour, but where is the dividing line?
Sit and look at the ‘body’. What is there but colour (we are only looking at colour for this exercise)? Where is the dividing line between the colour labelled ‘body’ and the colour labelled ‘chair’? Where is the dividing line between the colour labelled ‘chair’ and the colour labelled ‘floor/rug’? Where is the dividing line between the colour labelled ‘floor/rug’ and the colour labelled ‘wall’?.
Look carefully…are there many different colourS or just colour?
Just colour is experienced. Thought says there's different colours.
Yes, so where is the dividing line in colour? Thought may say that there are many different colours…however there is only colour…so can a dividing line be found in colour?
THIS appears as the story of change itself, but change is about time, is there actually anything changing?
Without thought nothing is changing and I am so afraid of being without thought, because thought says I will not be able to function/exist without it.
There was no separate individual before this exploration took place, there is no separate person now and there won’t be one tomorrow! So, why would thought all of a sudden disappear?
Thought doesn’t appear; it is always here. Thought is experience and experience is always here! It is just thought that says thought is something other than experience. It is only thought that says experience is appearing as thought! So, thought never appears it is always here, as thought is experience itself!
Thought doesn't stop telling you that it's your car, your job, your body, your craving, your preference, your pain, your happiness, your this and your that. Why would thought stop saying something just because it's seen what thoughts are.
It's never been any other way. So it is only an expectation that thought will suddenly change its tune or disappear, is in itself just another in itself and is just more thought fluff.
Yes, but said you were confused. What was it about the question about the clock exercise that confused you?
It's not confusion. It's fear. I am afraid of loosing my mind, because everything I always thought I am or know turns out to be a big fat lie.
And what exactly is it that can lose a ‘mind?
What is the AE of a ‘mind’?
Are you in control of anything, including thought? Are you responsible for anything, including thought? Are you able to choose anything, including thought? Are you the ‘doer’ of anything, including the thinking of thought?
There is no ‘you/Stello’…to be doing anything? ‘You’ are not a person. Where can the person called Stello be found? You are not a thought that comes and go…the idea of a person is what comes and goes…but YOU are no that. How can you be, when you are aware of everything that comes and goes. If what you are is just an appearance…then you would disappear everytime the idea of a person disappeared!
There is an 'awareness' of thought that appears saying that the smell ‘coffee’ was here yesterday…but thought can’t claim anything in and of itself, but just because thought say so...does that make the thought true?
No it really doesn't. But what can I believe in, if nothing really is true.
What exactly is it that needs to believe something? Why does there need to be a belief in anything?
A belief is just another thought labelled as a ‘belief’. There is ‘knowingknown’…which is not a thought is just IS.
Describe it to me. For something to experience something means there must be two. An experiencer and the experience. Where is the dividing line between experiencer and experience?
I don't know how to respond to this question. There's only experience and then thoughts about it. No dividing line. Thought just comes in or not.
What is thought exactly, Stello? I have been saying throughout this exploration that experience is appearing as thought, sound, colour, sensation, taste, smell.
There is no experience AND thought. Experience is appearing as thought…so what is thought? It is experience itself!
So is there someone/something that is experiencing thought? Where do you end and a thought begin? Where do you end and colour begin. LOOK at this question very carefully.
When you ignore all the labels given to all these so-called many COLOURS, are there many colours or just colour?
When I ignore all the labels that thought gives to so called many colours, then there is not even just colour. Only thought would be able to give an answer to your question (s).
So, when dropping all labels given to ‘colour’ and dropping the label ‘colour’ as well…what is there?
And please don’t answer saying ‘only thought would be able to give an answer to your question’. That isn’t LOOKING.
And if it is only colour and not colourS…what exactly is it that is changing?
Nothing changes because nothing exists. How are you able to name anything without thought?
How can nothing exist? Are you not aware of colour, thought, sound, sensation, smell, taste? How is it they do not exist?????
Of course they exist…however, they are not separate THINGS. They are experience itself appearing as soundsensationtastecoloursmellthought (no divisions…no separation). And experience itself doesn’t change. Experience doesn’t come and go with the appearances it appears as…it ALWAYS IS.
When a sensation appears….how can that not exist? You can’t deny what is appearing…but what we are denying is that they are anything but experience itself, and not what thought says they are. It is thought that divides experience into those 6 categories. There are no 6 categories…they are all experience and experience is not divided.
You don’t need thought to tell you when “brrr brrr” has appeared by saying it is ‘cold’. You are aware of the appearance of ‘brrr brrr’ and the appearance of the thought labelling it ‘cold’. Are you not aware of ‘brrr brrr’ and thought ‘cold’? So how could ‘knowing’ not exist? There is no dividing line between ‘knowing’ and ‘known’…they are one and the same thing.
Not everything is story. It looks like it could be until you look a little closer.
Sound labelled "tweet" isn't story, but story can say that a blue bird down the street made that sound.
Flavour labelled "sweet" isn't a story, but story can be, "I love chocolate ice cream."
Image isn't story, but thought could say, "Wow! What a spectacular sunset!"
See the difference?
Now, if image labelled "sunset," isn't experience as you presently find it to be, then it IS story. And story cannot be changed. If it could, you'd be a thinker of thought.
Don't buy into any of this. Look for yourself to be absolutely certain
Thought also says that there is something behind the door. How is it known that there is something behind the door?
It isn't. It's an assumption.
Yes, it is an assumption and an assumption is just thought.
And how is it know that the colour ‘blue’ is a door?
The important thing is that there is still a sense of Stello(not that I could find a Stello when I look) and I want to ask you what to do with it. Do I really need to get rid of this sense of Stello?
What exactly is it that wants to get rid of the ‘sense of Stello’? So, with this sense of Stello…is this sense a true sense or just a thought about a ‘sense of Stello’? If Stello cannot be found…then to what exactly is the ‘sense of Stello’ a problem to?
There was no Stello before this exploration started, yet a thought story about a ‘sense of Stello’ appeared. There is no Stello now, and yet there is a thought story about a ‘sense of Stello’ appearing, and there will be no Stello in 5 minutes time or tomorrow, and yet the thought story about a ‘sense of Stello’ will still appear.
Are you the author of thought? Can you control, predict, push away or make particular thoughts appear or not appear?
Does the ‘sense of Stello’ have an actual sensation to it…or is it just a thought story appearing?
Love, Kay
xx
Nothing real can be threatened. Nothing unreal exists.
