If at first you don't succeed

[Ilona]

Look closer here. Do you worry about past, really?
Is there worrying about here now?
What is worrying about, really?

What is mind in control of now? Does it make things happen or prevent things from happening? How does worrying about what of scenarios protect you from what is happening now?

What is that can be out of control? Is life out of control and needs you to hold it, manage and regulate it?


Write more.

Sending love.

[chris lewis]

Look closer here. Do you worry about past, really?
Is there worrying about here now?
What is worrying about, really?

What is mind in control of now? Does it make things happen or prevent things from happening? How does worrying about what of scenarios protect you from what is happening now?

What is that can be out of control? Is life out of control and needs you to hold it, manage and regulate it?


Write more.

Sending love.

Worry about past may be an inaccurate thing to say. the mind will dwell on the past and use it to worry about the future. For example, it will remember something that happened in the past and use it to worry about future scenarios.

Worry is not about present scenarios, it is about a hypothetical future, which the mind conjures up and is different from the events that actually transpire at the later date that the mind is worried about.

Mind is not truly in control of anything at all. It does not even know it's own thoughts, and can't control them, never mind being able to control the outer world.

The world is does not seem to be truly out of control, but the mind believes it is. Events would unfold as they would without this mind that is attempting to manage everything. The mind labels some events as "undesirable", and attempts to control them. However it fails to do so. It seems the need to regulate and manage things causes much more suffering than just seeing what would happen without the chattering manager attempting to regulate and control.

[Ilona]

Good work. Yes, mind is trying to control and regulate what happens in the future and that in itself is tension. Is that practical? Is it helping? Is this something that mind would like to let go of? What is in the way of letting this go?

Explore this now.

Sending love

[chris lewis]

Good work. Yes, mind is trying to control and regulate what happens in the future and that in itself is tension. Is that practical? Is it helping? Is this something that mind would like to let go of? What is in the way of letting this go?

Explore this now.

Sending love

The mind attempting to regulate what happens in the future is not at all practical! It is not helping. Sometimes the mind is able to relax a little when meditating and that little bit of letting go is very practical, because things get done much better. The mind seems to want to let go, it just doesn't know how.
It seems the mind noise is in the way of the mind letting go. Somehow something else needs to be introduced in order to show the mind that it need not hold on and try to control everything. I guess you would call it peace.

[Ilona]

i hear you and yes, this is exactly that. mind noise is too much and mind wants to relax, but does not know how. it's ok. the key is to feel. whatever is here that wants to be felt fully. all sensations are ok. so let the sensations be here now and welcome them. welcome the noise. stay with the sensations without naming them, just letting them be seen, experienced fully. then ask the mind, literally if it is ready to relax now. and see what happens.
it may sound woo woo but try it.

you can also have a look if there is fear to let go of noise. if you find something there, welcome that too and feel that sensations. it's all about getting out of the head into feeling. then feelings can move.

let me know how that goes.

sending love.

[chris lewis]

i hear you and yes, this is exactly that. mind noise is too much and mind wants to relax, but does not know how. it's ok. the key is to feel. whatever is here that wants to be felt fully. all sensations are ok. so let the sensations be here now and welcome them. welcome the noise. stay with the sensations without naming them, just letting them be seen, experienced fully. then ask the mind, literally if it is ready to relax now. and see what happens.
it may sound woo woo but try it.

you can also have a look if there is fear to let go of noise. if you find something there, welcome that too and feel that sensations. it's all about getting out of the head into feeling. then feelings can move.

let me know how that goes.

sending love.

I am trying this before I go to bed tonight as my mind is a little calmer then. I will report back tomorrow.

[chris lewis]

i hear you and yes, this is exactly that. mind noise is too much and mind wants to relax, but does not know how. it's ok. the key is to feel. whatever is here that wants to be felt fully. all sensations are ok. so let the sensations be here now and welcome them. welcome the noise. stay with the sensations without naming them, just letting them be seen, experienced fully. then ask the mind, literally if it is ready to relax now. and see what happens.
it may sound woo woo but try it.

you can also have a look if there is fear to let go of noise. if you find something there, welcome that too and feel that sensations. it's all about getting out of the head into feeling. then feelings can move.

let me know how that goes.

sending love.

I am trying this before I go to bed tonight as my mind is a little calmer then. I will report back tomorrow.

The mind would not relax. This is the strange thing, the mind truly wishes it could relax, just stop stressing and worrying and give up all the pain of trying to manage things. It has been seen earlier this week that even a partial relaxation has tremendous benefits. There are absolutely no downsides to relaxing, yet the stress and worry mechanism seems to be stuck "on".

[Ilona]

The key is you can not make mind to relax, even thinking that it should relax is making it tense.
Here is an article, that hopefully it will be helpful for you.
http://markedeternal.blogspot.co.uk/201 ... oking.html

Play with this. Be kind and soft to the mind and that may make a difference.

Sending love.

[chris lewis]

The key is you can not make mind to relax, even thinking that it should relax is making it tense.
Here is an article, that hopefully it will be helpful for you.
http://markedeternal.blogspot.co.uk/201 ... oking.html

Play with this. Be kind and soft to the mind and that may make a difference.

Sending love.

Have been trying this. Sometimes resistance is quite strong, but it seems like the resistance wants to be loved and accepted. Am trying not to fight the pain, and understand that it just wants everything to be OK. Acceptance is important here.

[Ilona]

resistance is the same as protection. same function, different name. yes, protection wants to be loved and appreciated. can you see that?

much love.

[chris lewis]

resistance is the same as protection. same function, different name. yes, protection wants to be loved and appreciated. can you see that?

much love.

Yes, the illusion obviously protects itself. It resists seeing what it really is as it is virtually a form of life itself, and wants to keep itself going. The protection wants to be accepted and loved, and goes through its whole life trying to find appreciation and love. But it never quite makes it, and its methods for trying to find acceptance and love fail. So the seeking itself seems to be the problem, or at least a problem.

[Ilona]

Yes, spot in, seeking itself is a problem.
And the funny thing, there is nothing to find, nothing to understand. But until this is seen, seeking goes on. One is looking for the happy tomorrow, chasing the carrot, wanting to grasp on something that will give benefits. Yeah. What would you be without seeking?
Is it something you do or what is happening?
Can you stop seeking at will?
Try that.
What happens?

Sending love.

[chris lewis]

Yes, spot in, seeking itself is a problem.
And the funny thing, there is nothing to find, nothing to understand. But until this is seen, seeking goes on. One is looking for the happy tomorrow, chasing the carrot, wanting to grasp on something that will give benefits. Yeah. What would you be without seeking?
Is it something you do or what is happening?
Can you stop seeking at will?
Try that.
What happens?

Sending love.

I honestly do not know what would happen when seeking stops. It is something that merely happens and there is no control over it. It is not something I can stop at will if tried.

[Ilona]

Let's find the seeker. What is it? Describe in full detail, what do you find, what does he want?


Sending love.

[chris lewis]

Let's find the seeker. What is it? Describe in full detail, what do you find, what does he want?


Sending love.

The seeker is part of the personal identity. It has many characteristics such as body, thoughts about past and future (and sometimes present).
Part of the nature of this personal identity is to seek something in the future, and it uses thought to do so. It things about how much better things will be in the future when it finally gets what it wants. But that day never comes, so the seeker continues to seek in a vicious circle.
Yet if you ask me precisely where the seeker can be located, no location can be found.
The seeker wants to find, but it has no idea how to, and has a vague idea that it has no idea how to. But nothing comes in to show the seeker how to find, probably because the seeker cannot turn itself off.