Guide, do you want to get to know me?

[deezer]

Okay Alonso,

Slow down. If your tree and sight are meshed, if it's all one, isn't that okay? You are not going crazy.

Let yourself be, the experience. Relax in it.

Don't try to make yourself understand. But just look. See what happens.

Don't swop a DE story for what you have now. Let the stories go.

Who, where, what is Alonso? Describe to me.

d

[deezer]

Hi again Alonso,

I have another question for you regarding the the experience of sensations.

When you next hear a sound, any sound but not one you are creating yourself, you become conscious of the sound.

Tell me where is the separation between your consciousness of the sound and the sound itself?

Thanks,

d

[deezer]

Hi Alonso,

I am sure you are busy but we have an agreement that you will post every day, at least to let me know that you will come back later.

Where are you?

d

[enlamancha]

Hi D,

I´m sorry that I didn´t post earlier, it´s been non stop at work, no sleep. No excuse.

Who, where, what is Alonso? Describe to me.

I´ve thought about this, trough this messages, considering that the I is a thought or an invention. Alonso,is an idea. When I was born, my parents gave me a name, and then, I was conditioned with things like nationality, religion and all learnt behaviors from a collective state of mind. It´s complex but at the same time simple. I don´t exist as that person, that I think I am. I´m just existence, with a mask.

When you next hear a sound, any sound but not one you are creating yourself, you become conscious of the sound.

Tell me where is the separation between your consciousness of the sound and the sound itself?

I just put some music to do experience this. I don´t feel a separation, just my mind saying, YOU are listening to the music. I can´t find a separation, I just listen.

I apologize, once again.

Thank you.

Alonso.

[deezer]

No need to apologize Alonso,

I understand you are busy. However let's keep it going. You are doing very well.

Ok, you've now looked very thoroughly in all the various areas of direct experience and you haven't been able to find a self in any of them. I reckon now's a good time just to have a look from a slightly different perspective.

With 'you' revealed as a thought story, what remains?

What experiences?

What thinks?

What does?

What is aware?

Keep up the good work :-)

d

[enlamancha]

What´s up D,

With 'you' revealed as a thought story, what remains?

A living organism that breathes and feels, just like an animal.

What experiences?

Experience itself is happening, without ¨me” being involved.

What thinks?

My first thought was to say the brain, but that is a concept, so thinking occurs without me or anybody controlling, its involuntary.

What does?

There is no doer or controller, but I´m confused in this one.

What is aware?

Awareness.

Hope your having a great day.

Alonso.

[deezer]

Hi Alonso,

Fantastic. Your answers don't leave much room for doubt.

There is no doer or controller, but I´m confused in this one.

Are you really in control of the actions you experience? Do 'you' send messages to your muscles telling them to operate? To you eyes telling them to see? To your brain telling it to understand? Do you tell the wind to blow or the sun to shine? Aren't these happening all by themselves, without a story of 'you' required to make them happen?

It seems like you have seen that there is no separate self and that there never has been. Before I put the 'final questions' to you, can we just briefly review everything we've done so far, just to see for sure whether you need to revisit any aspects to look in more depth for any evidence of a self-entity anywhere at all.

As always, in direct experience:

Have you been able to find, a ‘self’ that is the ‘experiencer’?

Or a self that is the doer, or can control what happens?

Or a self that ‘makes’ decisions?

Or a self who ‘does the thinking’?

Is the "body" just another thought label for sensations (namely tactile & kinesthetic)?

Are the five body senses made to arise or experienced by this ‘self’?

Is there a self ‘in here’ which is separate from the world and others ‘out there’?

Is there doubt or unclarity that in all these cases the ‘self’ is nothing other than a mental fabrication?

And finally:

Are there any doubts about seeing through the illusion of separate self?

[deezer]

Again I pressd the submit button to quickly! But I just wanted to sign off by saying well done. I hope you workload is easing somewhat.

d

[enlamancha]

Hi D,

I'm running with work today. Will get back to you tomorrow morning.

Thank you!

[deezer]

Thanks for letting me know.

d

[enlamancha]

Are you really in control of the actions you experience?

No, this morning, I was playing with a stick and Jack, my dog, would run, look, jump, and while I was observing, I thought he is just going with the flow of life, he is not directing, anything, all is automatic, like us.

Do 'you' send messages to your muscles telling them to operate?

No, I was stuck at this one thinking that it was my decision, always thinking that the FIRST decision was up to me and then the body takes over, but that is also a thought, where did that first decision came from? From air, from nothing.

To you eyes telling them to see?

They just see.

To your brain telling it to understand?

Automatic, not me or not me, involved.

Do you tell the wind to blow or the sun to shine?

Nada.

Aren't these happening all by themselves, without a story of 'you' required to make them happen?

Yes, the you, my I, is a creation, kind of like a frame, of raw energy.

Have you been able to find, a ‘self’ that is the ‘experiencer’?

No, I haven´t, when I go and search for the I, its when I understand, that is an invention of stories and assumptions.

Or a self that is the doer, or can control what happens?

Can´t control it.

Or a self that ‘makes’ decisions?

Decisions happen, before the I thinks they do.

Or a self who ‘does the thinking’?

Involuntary, sometimes, you think… Why did I think that? Where did that come from.

Is the "body" just another thought label for sensations (namely tactile & kinesthetic)?

Yes, I believe, the concept is that, to understand, this machine that operates.

Are the five body senses made to arise or experienced by this ‘self’?

No, just pure senses, that get tormented because of the stories we have fabricated.

Is there a self ‘in here’ which is separate from the world and others ‘out there’?

No selfs, same thing.

Is there doubt or unclarity that in all these cases the ‘self’ is nothing other than a mental fabrication?

No, for some reason when I think about this question, my memory goes, to the image of a new born, and those first years, when you look at them, they are just sensing, experiencing, feeling, all through DE, then we grow, and we fill ourselves with stories of who we are and who are we supposed to be.

And finally:

Are there any doubts about seeing through the illusion of separate self?

Not at this time, I just heard this song, and I can´t stop listening to it, hope you like it.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP9U4tm8xJc

[deezer]

Hi Alonso,

Fantastic. And thanks for the song. :-)

Here then are the final questions. When answering question 5, please give specific and very recent examples from direct experience. Once I get all of your answers, I'll put them forward for other guides for any comments. Then I'll arrange for you to get access to various aftercare and other groups on Facebook and the LU site. Have you got a Facebook name? If so, either let me know here or, if you prefer, PM it to me.

Always from direct experience.

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for?

Please give specific examples from your recent experience.

6) Anything to add?


It has been a great experience for me guiding you Alonso. So thank you,

d

[enlamancha]

Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

No, there has never been.

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

Thinking, that there is someone inside you, the I, that controls your world, the ME, that appears its permanent, but when you see, then you realize that the I has always been in an invention, in our pure state we just do what any other being does, experience trough the senses, then, the I happens, and the fantasy begins filtering direct experience through inventions of the mind.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

When I start creating stories and believing them, I stop, and remember that those thoughts not only are involuntary but they are not real, it´s the I that gives them the label, that is helping me, because I could go over a thought or a future scenario over and in the end, they are just stories, with this process, I stop for a second, and think “That you are thinking is just an illusion”

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

Nothing in particular, but I just started noticing more of how my movements just happen, without a thought or without me “deciding” so I believe it was the whole process, when I accepted the fact of the nonexistent I.

5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for?

Everything is automatic, before “we” think we make the decision, the decision is already made, there is no control, it comes immediately, things will happen as they have to with “me” or without.

D, thanks a lot for taking the time and the commitment to talk to me. One of the things that pulled about this site, was first the depth of the conversations and also the fact that random messengers, people like you, out there are taking the time to try to point to a fact that could improve our way of being, so thanks a lot. Please point me to anything you feel it would be good. My facebook name is: Alonso Castillo.

Talk to you soon.

Alonso

[deezer]

Hi Alonso,

Very good. Can you mention some examples to question 5?

5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for?

Everything is automatic, before “we” think we make the decision, the decision is already made, there is no control, it comes immediately, things will happen as they have to with “me” or without.

Please give specific examples from your recent experience.

Thank you,

d

[enlamancha]

Hi D,

I´m chewing right now, and I have no control of the movements of my jaw it´s just happening with my thoughts telling how it should move.

When, I drive and I glance at the mirror in front or the sides, it´s automatic.

I have no control on any process my body performs. Oxigen, digestion, circulation, and so on.

My thoughts are involuntary, one after the other, without me being in control.

What makes thing happen?

Life itself, without “us” as labeling machines.

Thank you.

Alonso.