hi odemira,


1) Is there a 'me', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

no, there is only an absence of me everywhere i look. all the things that seemed to be a part of me are actually a part of life. there never was a ger but there's plenty of not-ger round these parts! xD ...

hi odemira,


Still looking, Ger?
What are you seeing?


the looking is all done! it's so weird - you really don't find what you're looking for. there *is* finding though, but not by anyone. I wondered what it would be like when this was all over. now that it's seen it's a little hard to compute ...

hi odemira!

Santa Claus seems entirely convincing until you realise he's not real. If you've been told since early childhood that you are inside the body, then you're going to believe that, and act as if it was so, yes?

it's an interesting belief really. it's like a spinning bicycle wheel or ...

hi odemira!

Ok, may have slightly misled you by talking about the sensory input>thought loop. What I'm wanting you to look at is how the body does stuff automatically. There have been experiments done that show that motion starts in the body several microseconds before the thought to do the motion ...

This fear's a bit like having a granny who always tells you to wear your vest if she sees you going outside - sensory input > thought > action (talking). It's just what she does cos she loves you! Give her a hug and tell her all is well, you'll be fine, and she'll go away happy.

that's fair ...

hi odemira,

Fear is just a feeling, nothing to shy away from. It's a protective mechanism, and serves a useful purpose. If I'm standing near the crumbling edge of a 300m high cliff, the feeling of fear might cause me to take a step backwards, as there is a genuine safety issue present. But if I'm ...

Are there any other fearful consequences of releasing the belief in the self? Sit with this question, and let the mind give answers gradually - sometimes these can take a while to surface.

i'll see what else comes up. this 'loss of control' fear seems a genuine issue here. and the resistance is ...

hi odemira! distracting stuff came up today but i am back again. =)


Based on what you've seen, is it true that without the belief in the self everything will fall apart?
Is it true that without the belief in the self to protect 'you', something bad will happen?


logically i have to say no. lots ...

i'll get back to your last post in a short while. some other stuff coming up as i sit here.


What is real doesn't disappear when you stop believing in it, right?


this was on my mind a lot again today. also "that which is real doesn't come and go" hit me again. think i read that in a nonduality ...

This was what was seen and felt, sensory inputs coming to the brain. Real - if you looked again an hour later, or a day later, a similar experience would occur. What is real doesn't disappear when you stop believing in it, right?

yes that's fair enough. i was a big philip k dick fan back in the ...

Let's go back to looking, just simple looking, ok? When you look at the mark on your hand, what is actually seen? Look right now, really look for a minute or more. Then tell me what the process was, what happened. We're 'rinsing and repeating' now, but it's the way to get unstuck.


ok i'll see ...

hi odemira!

So the story gets built up, the illusion of the character who's lived a particular life, who is a particular way, who suffers. Does a cat retell the story of how it's mother didn't love her, or how tough it is to catch a decent bird? And then feel sad about that story? Or does a cat ...

Suggest you take a walk in nature, watch the birds and the trees and the insects. Do they have a 'me' at the centre? Or are they just life living, nature naturally being? Or watch a cat or dog. Observe closely and let me know what is noticed.

yes it's very obvious there's no 'me' operating in a ...

hi odemira.

sorry i am late getting back to you. my cfs is flaring up quite badly just now and i may need a day or so
to get back on track. i will answer your latest post as soon as possible.

many thanks!

Good idea, keep looking. It can be helpful to pay attention to what the body/mind is doing, and firstly label it 'I am eating', 'I am walking' etc then change it to 'Eating is happening', Walking is happening'. Notice any difference in experience.

that makes good sense. whatever is happening can ...