Please can you keep trying for me? Any attributes at all...

I still don't find any attributes for this 'center'. However, upon investigating further I do see that the 'center' isn't necessarily in control. It seems to do nothing other than observing. Thoughts are arising spontaneously causing ...

Let's look at the 'center'. Look directly at it and tell me what you see / feel / experience.

It can't be examined. Every time I try to examine it, it slips away. It's like trying to catch an eel with oily hands. And yet it's "there" somehow (when I say "there" I mean that it's present somehow ...

Can you find an 'I' that is in control?

No. But the one who is looking is 'I'.

This is what I find true:

The one in control cannot be found in experience. Only the effects of the one in control can be seen. And these effects seem to suggest that there is a center in this body which controls ...

What else are you noticing about thoughts, emotions, feelings, volitions, control. For a while, just watch things happen. See what you see.

Am I looking for anything in particular?

Good. What else are you noticing?

What do you mean what else?

Have a look. You tell me...

Okay, I'm with you. Thoughts arise spontaneously. Desires to do things arise spontaneously, and it seems like the body reacts to these spontaneous desires arising.

You are not in control of anything. Trying thinking a certain thought. Can you watch the thoughts and select what kind of thought you would like?

Sure, I do know that I can't control which thoughts that are arising. But are you saying that I don't have a choice in anything? That I'm totally left ...

Why is the body 'my body' ? What makes it so other than thought that is believed?

That's a good question. I would have to say that the notion of ownership over the body comes from the fact that it responds to my wishes. That I have some degree of control over it. Because it responds to my will ...

do they arise together or does the thought come first or the feeling in the body come first?

The thought comes first and then the feeling arises instantaneously after, like a reaction to the thought.

Yes, it can do. Look directly at the fear of loosing the body. Can you see this is a thought and a sensation?

Yes, I do see that it's a thought and an emotional response to the thought.

Ok. So the body is labeled the body, yes? Is it labeled 'my' body? These labels are believed, yes? Or do you see them as thoughts?

Yes, I would say that it is labeled 'my' body. The very notion of saying "my body" seems to suggest that I am not the body, but rather that I own the body. That I am ...

Ok, so currently what is your understanding of 'I' or 'me'. What do you believe yourself to be? What do you see yourself to be?

That is a complex question, because it varies from time to time. Mostly I would say that I believe myself to be the body. But there are times when I see that I can't be ...

Hello, welcome back my friend.

I can help.

Hello, and thank you.

Tell me more about your expectations... you speak about 'happiness that depends on nothing'. Please can you go into detail about that and any other expectations you have?

Certainly. All my life I've been searching for happiness ...

I've been here before. That time I guess I was pretty stuck with certain concepts. Anyway, I've been away from all this enlightenment stuff for like a year now. I just got fed up with it, since it felt like I got nowhere. I wasn't making any progress.

But now, I'm ready to try again. I want to be ...

I don't think a psychotherapist is necessary. So, I think the first solution will suffice.