Hi Matt,

Thanks for sending the link to the Christian Shadlock video. I had seen that years ago, and it brings back good memories.
Christian says "No location can be found where seeing happens." For me, there is a location, and I can perhaps come closest to it by saying "I am". I mean that in the ...

Hi Matt,

I'm using the word 'self' the same way you are. I would not confuse the house I live in with the 'self'.

I agree, the self doesn't change from one moment to the next, even though sensations change.

Hi Matt,

Is it really a 'self' apart from any modicum of belief?

To me it's energy. I feel it in my head. I don't find a belief associated with it. It doesn't have qualities, like young or old,
male or female.

sensations don't make up an actual self

I think this is where you and I find ...

OK, so now I'm asking you to question the belief that you have two selves.

• Who is it that sees both of these selves? Is it a third self?

Hmmm.... the word 'belief' doesn't seem to fit what I find in DE, because to me it implies Time. For me a belief is something stored in thought that you pull ...

Thanks so much.
This exploration is based on "Direct Experience" or "Actual Experience" — putting thought aside and looking at smell, taste, sound, sensation, color, etc.
So far it seems you haven't been engaging in this kind of exploration. Are you willing to try?

I've been engaging in Direct ...

When you look at how things are, without thinking about it, do you find an experiencer in addition to experience?

Yes, I do. They are two separate things.

Is this answer the product of looking in direct experience without theories or stories?
• Do you mean that you are an energetic contraction behind your eyes?

Yes. Of course no words can capture what I feel. Energetic contraction seems close enough.


If you are looking at something, how can that ...

Look carefully: in actual experience, is that 'energetic contraction' a real 'you'?

Yes, it is

• Look carefully: in honest, direct experience, is there a subject, an 'I' in addition to the energetic contraction, observing it?

No.

Inspect this experientially: WHAT exactly, in "direct experience", is felt there, "behind the eyes"?

It's something that's very hard, probably impossible, to put into words. The best description I've ever found is 'energetic contraction'.

• Inspect this closely and at length: is there any experiential evidence of 'solidity' there, "behind the eyes"?

Solidity is a good word for it, though I've never described it that way, so I would say yes. It is felt as a solid entity.
It is there when I get up in the morning, and doesn't go away ...

Yes, Matt, I'm in. Let's go for it!

Ross

Hi Vince,

Wait, what Zoom meeting did I miss? I don't recall being invited to one. Do you mean the monthly
meetings run by LI? Or one of yours? Please tell me again what the details are and I will be there.

I suppose in some ways I'm not very proactive with these things because at some level I don ...

Hmmm..... I can't think of anything.

Hi Vince,

It was lovely to see you (as if there is a 'you') the other day. Is there
anything I should be doing?

Thanks! I shall