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by pockets
Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:27 pm
Forum: ARCHIVES
Topic: Conceptual Understanding vs Experiential Knowing
Replies: 81
Views: 6218

Re: Conceptual Understanding vs Experiential Knowing

Warissem,

Thank you very much for your time and patience during this process. I hope one day I'll be able to help dialogue with people in a similar way. Sincerely thank you.

Best wishes,
Kevin
by pockets
Tue Mar 23, 2021 3:00 pm
Forum: ARCHIVES
Topic: Conceptual Understanding vs Experiential Knowing
Replies: 81
Views: 6218

Re: Conceptual Understanding vs Experiential Knowing

Hi Warissem,

No rush, thank you for your time and energy throughout this dialogue.

Best wishes,
Kevin
by pockets
Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:04 pm
Forum: ARCHIVES
Topic: Conceptual Understanding vs Experiential Knowing
Replies: 81
Views: 6218

Re: Conceptual Understanding vs Experiential Knowing

Hi Warissem,

Apologies. I have nothing else to add. All my further questions/comments just lead me to thoughts and concepts, which I can witness passing by. Thinking about the moments of experience that lead me to this conversion, that lead me to this awareness, that lead me to acknowledge the ...
by pockets
Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:45 pm
Forum: ARCHIVES
Topic: Conceptual Understanding vs Experiential Knowing
Replies: 81
Views: 6218

Re: Conceptual Understanding vs Experiential Knowing

Hi Warissem,

Can you call this "peace" instead of loneliness ? It is empty of thoughts but it is full of presence knowing.
It feels like nothing is real. I know it is just a thought, but it is a thought that keeps returning today. Like everything isn't what I thought it was for so long. Maybe it ...
by pockets
Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:21 am
Forum: ARCHIVES
Topic: Conceptual Understanding vs Experiential Knowing
Replies: 81
Views: 6218

Re: Conceptual Understanding vs Experiential Knowing

There is loneliness. It does not feel like the thought/emotion of loneliness that I have experienced before, it doesn't "feel" like an emotion at all, and it doesn't feel like it is happening to "me". It just feels very empty.
by pockets
Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:11 am
Forum: ARCHIVES
Topic: Conceptual Understanding vs Experiential Knowing
Replies: 81
Views: 6218

Re: Conceptual Understanding vs Experiential Knowing

Hi Warissem,

The separate self is just a self-perpetuating concept that reinforces itself with thought.
Can a concept “separate self” reinforce itself with thought ?
The concept of a separate self cannot reinforce itself. The concept of a separate self cannot /do/ anything. What I meant by this ...
by pockets
Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:36 pm
Forum: ARCHIVES
Topic: Conceptual Understanding vs Experiential Knowing
Replies: 81
Views: 6218

Re: Conceptual Understanding vs Experiential Knowing

Hi Warissem,

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? a
Was there ever?
There is no separate self. There is no separate anything. There was never a separate self. "Self" was always concepts overlaid on experience.


2) Give in your own words ...
by pockets
Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:32 am
Forum: ARCHIVES
Topic: Conceptual Understanding vs Experiential Knowing
Replies: 81
Views: 6218

Re: Conceptual Understanding vs Experiential Knowing

Hi Warissem,

Good, the thought “I ” continue to arise but you do recognize it as a thought.
For my current situation, I would clarify this as "I have the ability to recognize it as a thought, and often can, but this doesn't mean it always happens".


What is missing ?
I do not know exactly ...
by pockets
Fri Mar 19, 2021 12:58 am
Forum: ARCHIVES
Topic: Conceptual Understanding vs Experiential Knowing
Replies: 81
Views: 6218

Re: Conceptual Understanding vs Experiential Knowing

Hi Warissem,

What is illusion of separate self in direct experience ?
There is no separate self or illusion of separate self in my direct experience, other than within the contents of thoughts. A separate self is a concept. An illusion of this is also a concept.


Yes, the experience is not ...
by pockets
Wed Mar 17, 2021 6:46 pm
Forum: ARCHIVES
Topic: Conceptual Understanding vs Experiential Knowing
Replies: 81
Views: 6218

Re: Conceptual Understanding vs Experiential Knowing

Hi Warissem,

Thanks for your response and patience throughout this process. I have reviewed our entire interaction, and have a couple comments:

In your first response to me you said:
The truth is that : the experience is trully here now but beliefs are different from the experience.
I didn't ...
by pockets
Wed Mar 17, 2021 5:37 am
Forum: ARCHIVES
Topic: Conceptual Understanding vs Experiential Knowing
Replies: 81
Views: 6218

Re: Conceptual Understanding vs Experiential Knowing

Hello Warissem,

look directly at the concept "mind" and tell me where it points to in direct experience.
The concept of mind is a thought. When I try to conceptualize it in direct experience, I only observe complicated thoughts/labels, which are recognized what what they are quickly.


1 ...
by pockets
Tue Mar 16, 2021 4:49 am
Forum: ARCHIVES
Topic: Conceptual Understanding vs Experiential Knowing
Replies: 81
Views: 6218

Re: Conceptual Understanding vs Experiential Knowing

I have been thinking more about your question all day today:

What is a mind in your own words ?
After further looking, I am not certain my last answer was fully from direct experience. I don't know the distinction between a "mind" and this knowing. There is no experience happening outside of this ...
by pockets
Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:16 pm
Forum: ARCHIVES
Topic: Conceptual Understanding vs Experiential Knowing
Replies: 81
Views: 6218

Re: Conceptual Understanding vs Experiential Knowing

Hi Warissem,

Yes it is a thought. It is not your mind. What is a mind in your own words ?
A mind is a lens (for lack of a better term) in which experiences (sensations/thoughts/everything) are perceived... It is simultaneously the "thing" that enables experiences to exist and the experiences ...
by pockets
Mon Mar 15, 2021 4:48 am
Forum: ARCHIVES
Topic: Conceptual Understanding vs Experiential Knowing
Replies: 81
Views: 6218

Re: Conceptual Understanding vs Experiential Knowing

Hello Warissem,

1) In 'hearing' can anything be found other than 'what can be heard'?

No, that is all there is. Sometimes hearing is "replaced" in experience by another sense, but within hearing, all there is is what is being heard.


2) Can what is doing the hearing be found? Or is there only ...
by pockets
Sun Mar 14, 2021 4:14 pm
Forum: ARCHIVES
Topic: Conceptual Understanding vs Experiential Knowing
Replies: 81
Views: 6218

Re: Conceptual Understanding vs Experiential Knowing

Hi Warissem,


Today while looking to my experience to answer your questions, it felt "harder" to see things clearly like I did yesterday...
Can you give an example ? It felt like it was harder to "look past" the content of thoughts and recognize direct experience in the same way I had before. I ...

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