Conceptual Understanding vs Experiential Knowing

[pockets]

Hi Warissem,

Can you call this "peace" instead of loneliness ? It is empty of thoughts but it is full of presence knowing.

It feels like nothing is real. I know it is just a thought, but it is a thought that keeps returning today. Like everything isn't what I thought it was for so long. Maybe it's peace, but it isn't what I "expected".

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?

I felt confusion over what "direct experience" even meant. You corrected me many times in my answer, and it was so clear to you what was direct and what wasn't, yet it was so unclear to me. The moment that I could see the distinction was when there was recognition that thoughts come and go, and realize that they were just like any other sensation. This allowed me to stop looking so hard, which in turn made "looking" so much easier. Once I realized it wasn't something I needed to find, it allowed me to engage in the dialogue differently.

5) a) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? Give examples from your own recent experiences to how things happen and how things work.

Decisions, intentions, choice and control are all concepts. When I tried to trace down the exact moment that a "decision" was made, I could not find it. The "decision" was already caused by the moment before it, which was caused by the moment before it, which was caused by the moment before it. Any decision that it feels like "I" am making is a concept that was caused by one before it. These concepts and thoughts still often feel real, until I look closely, and look honestly, which is not my default state.

b) What are you responsible for? Give examples from your own recent experiences to how this works.

I have sat with this for some time today. I don't know. When I look to direct experience, I don't feel an answer to this question. My thoughts tell me that I am responsible for exploring this deeper, and to resolve the "old mode", but there is also a feeling that choice and control are not what I thought they were prior to this dialogue. I don't fully know how to reconcile this.

Thank you,

[warissem]

Hi Kevin

It feels like nothing is real. I know it is just a thought, but it is a thought that keeps returning today. Like everything isn't what I thought it was for so long. Maybe it's peace, but it isn't what I "expected".

All experiences come and go.

You forget this :
6) Anything to add?

Warissem

[pockets]

Hi Warissem,

Apologies. I have nothing else to add. All my further questions/comments just lead me to thoughts and concepts, which I can witness passing by. Thinking about the moments of experience that lead me to this conversion, that lead me to this awareness, that lead me to acknowledge the ephemeral-ness of experience... are all just thoughts as well. I can see the story that was created behind it all, and I can see that it just ~happens~.

"I" surely need time to process and continue to acknowledge "existence" for what is it. Every time that I "struggle" with this recognition, I can quickly see that even that struggle is within experience, and not "me". Just a cloud.


Thank you,

[warissem]

Hi Kevin

I submit this thread to other guides form confirmation or further questions. I will take few days.

Best wishes

Warissem

[pockets]

Hi Warissem,

No rush, thank you for your time and energy throughout this dialogue.

Best wishes,
Kevin

[warissem]

Hi Kevin

You are invited to join the Unleashed groups in facebook.

Warissem

[pockets]

Warissem,

Thank you very much for your time and patience during this process. I hope one day I'll be able to help dialogue with people in a similar way. Sincerely thank you.

Best wishes,
Kevin