What can or can not be proven

[Sapori]

LU is focused guiding for seeing there is no real, inherent 'self' - what do you understand by this?
The "self" per say, can not be found, yet we experience all that happens, internally and externally, from as far back as I / we can remember. Where the passed is stored, can not be found or located, yet it can be "recreated / remembered" in the "fleeting present". Our / my world is just s a construct of "concepts" that have no findable solidity.

What are you looking for at LU?
To experience, the "phenomena" of this "selflessness". In theory, it can be broken down to see, logically, that the "self" can not be located. Yet the "awareness" of everyday life seems to be happening. Who / what is "experiencing" these "happenings" ?

What do you expect from a guided conversation?
Can not say. Don't know. As I /no one knows the future, what could or would be an appropriate answer ? Expectations are already limiters, which prevent new experiences. Whatever experiences I / we have are just "fleeting" and going by. Never repeating themselves.

What is your experience in terms of spiritual practices, seeking and inquiry?
I've spent some years in Tibetan Buddhist Retreats. At one time, after along meditation, I experienced not an "out of body" but a "NO BODY" Awareness, reference-less, openness presence. In that moment, it was clear that, there never was a self, is presently no self and never will be a self. The Universe is "JUST AWARENESS". All what I / we experience are learned and taught concepts. Just a "fleeting film", going by all appearing phenomena is like "holograms"
Moving, interacting, doing, but no "SELF" being present.

On a scale from 1 to 10, how willing are you to question any currently held beliefs about 'self? 11

[Anastacia42]

Good morning,

a "NO BODY" Awareness, reference-less, openness presence. In that moment, it was clear that, there never was a self, is presently no self and never will be a self. The Universe is "JUST AWARENESS". All what I / we experience are learned and taught concepts. Just a "fleeting film", going by all appearing phenomena is like "holograms"
Moving, interacting, doing, but no "SELF" being present.

Yes, we guide up until that awareness dawns. Then we ask some checkpoint questions and refer you to some teleconference groups, maybe Ten Fetter work with someone like Pernille & Todd Lent Damore (You can find them on YouTube or live).

The awareness you experienced will come and go. We liken it to seeing that Santa Claus is a man in a red suit. Even if he puts the red suit back on, you are not fooled. You know there is no Santa Claus. Knowing there is no "self" is like that.

Would you like to answer the checkpoint questions and see if there is more to do here?

Loving,

[Anastacia42]

. I put all questions needing answers in blue.i didn't send you full instructions, since you probably don't need them but here is my usual introduction. I don't think you need all of it.


My name is Stacy and I can be your guide, if you would like.

One thing that is helpful is to come to this forum
& post every day. Sometimes the site goes down. It will be back. Just come back later.

Yes, if once in a while you must post later, please post a note telling me when you will return.

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http://liberationunleashed.com/disclaimer-2/

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http://liberationunleashed.com/about/faq/#faq-1041

Some housekeeping guidelines:

1. Post at least once a day, or every second day. If you need more time, or are unable to post for several days, just write a quick post on your thread to let me know please.

2. There is no one judging answers given, so please be 100% honest in your answers and inquiry.

3. This exploration is based on actual experience (AE) - smell, taste, sound, sensation, color and observed thoughts. Long-winded analytical and philosophical answers are best avoided and may even hinder progress. This is not a self-improvement process. There is no ‘self’ to improve.

4. Put aside all other teachings, philosophies, rituals, practices, books/reading and so on for the remainder of this investigation. Really put all your effort and attention in to seeing this reality, as it is. If you have a daily meditation practice, it is fine to continue that but is not necessary for this exploration.

Technology is not perfect and sometimes there is a glitch which can wipe out your responses. It is advisable that you copy and paste questions asked into Word, answer them there and then copy and paste them to your thread. Always save a copy of what you have done, it will save time in the long run!

To begin with, so that we both become aware of what your expectations are about this exploration. In your own words (not from actual experience, but just honest answers), could you please answer the 4 following questions:

How will life change?
How will you change?
What will be different?
What is missing?

Throughout this exploration I would like you to answer all questions that I have written in blue text. Please answer all questions even if I miss using the blue text.

Please answer questions individually, remembering to use the quote function to highlight the question being answered.

Below is a link to the video with instructions on using the Quote Function. Please watch it. Use the PREVIEW button to make sure your text looks right before you hit "SUBMIT."

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=660

What would you like for me to call you? What time zone are you in, please?


Loving,

[Anastacia42]

These are the checkpoint questions.


1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.

Describe intention & give examples from experience.

Describe free will & give examples from experience.

Describe choice & give examples from experience.

Describe control & give examples from experience.

What makes things happen? How does it work?

What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

6) Anything to add?

Loving

[Anastacia42]

Hi,

It appears you don't want to answer our questions, so I'll consider this thread closed unless you write again.

Much love