Turning fleeting moments into timeless stories.

[AVish]

LU is focused guiding for seeing there is no real, inherent 'self' - what do you understand by this?
I think we associate our self with our past and future, although in reality we are not them, we are the moment, like everything around us, it’s just our brain endlessly pulls us back into the game, making us suffer.

What are you looking for at LU?
I hope to find a person who will help me let go of the castles of expectations and worries that I have built. i think i met my twin flame 3 years ago (if you believe in this concept or not), however, it was this connection, which almost does not exist in the physical world, but which overwhelms me with love, that made me move forward and upward, it destroyed all my ideas about the world and although i am still in a fight with the ego, i know for sure that nothing else in my life has shifted my perception so much. now i want to go beyond my own boundaries, to love beyond circumstances and not feel dependent on the outcome.

What do you expect from a guided conversation?
I don't think I have expectations, I just feel the need to move forward on my path and to connect with someone who can share that with me. I hope to find a new liberating view of reality and to experience the enjoyment of the moment in all its depth.

What is your experience in terms of spiritual practices, seeking and inquiry? I am meditating

On a scale from 1 to 10, how willing are you to question any currently held beliefs about 'self? 9

[Bananafish]

Hi Anastacia. :)

As we talked in our video chat, we can start our written conversation here.

Let's start with a little experiment and see how this will go:
Please point at yourself with your finger.

Where or what did you point at?

Regards,

Kento

[AVish]

Hi Kento!
Thanks for picking me up.
So, going back to the exercise, I guess I'm pointing finger at the physical body. But considering that my finger is part of my physical body, I end up losing the meaning of it, and it turns out to be just a body movement.

[Bananafish]

Nice, Anastacia. :)

it turns out to be just a body movement.

If you don't name it a body movement, stripping off every verbal label
put to it, what is it?

[AVish]

Hi, Kento!

Honestly, I don't know how to write anything without using verbal labels, if I try to remove them all, I just end up with something like: " ".

Anastasia

[Bananafish]

Great! Please observe that " " and write more about what you found out about it.

Kento

[AVish]

Hi Kento!

Sorry for the long answer, it took me a while to see it.
To be honest, I'm still not quite sure what to say about it, sometimes it seems like trying to formulate something loses its meaning, and sometimes it seems like I'm just imagining it.

But what I have felt so far is that everything can be called " ", which of course immediately collapses the boundary between what I have called my physical body and everything else. So an empty space in a room is just as much "" as what I call my physical body, which means that I no longer see the boundary between that empty space and me. I can also feel it during meditation when I manage to go a little bit deeper into it. Then what I used to call the physical body really feels like a pulsating and flowing energy that has no boundaries. At first, I have the feeling that I am a little bit displaced from the body and a little bit apart. However, it is also fair to say that I still feel that the energy that is connected to my physical body is much denser than the energy that fills the void, for example. I can't draw a definitive line between where the energy of my body ends and the energy of the empty space in the room begins, but for me the energy that begins somewhere near my body is clearly more intense. At least that's what I've felt so far.
I hope this makes sense to you.

Best wishes
Anastasia

[Bananafish]

Hi Anastacia. :)

Then what I used to call the physical body really feels like a pulsating and flowing energy that has no boundaries.

Could you tell what it is that is recognizing this?
Please try switching between the sense of recognizer (if any) and the recognized "flowing energy."

[AVish]

Hi Kento!
Well, I have tried it and I can say that it is like switching between thinking and feeling, so in order to give some kind of intelligible form to what is going on, I resort to an inner voice that describes what is happening, that is the recognizer. Whereas the flowing energy is simply what it is before the brain starts to categorize it.
Anastasia

[Bananafish]

Hi Anastacia. :)

I resort to an inner voice that describes what is happening, that is the recognizer.

Does an inner voice see, hear, or touch things?
What is it that is doing all these?

[AVish]

Hi Kento!

Of course not, the inner voice has no physical manifestation, but rather a construct in the brain that categorizes things and gives them the meaning we humans are used to, so that we can share that meaning, associate ourselves and others with something. So on the one hand it's not a bad thing, really, on the other hand it's an obvious manifestation of the ego trying to separate me into something separate from everything else and consequently trying to take over my entire perception of myself, sometimes I notice that my inner voice becomes so active that I get completely lost in it. I don't want to fight it because I know it only makes it stronger, but I wish it wasn't so active because for me it's the same "" at the end of the day it doesn't even have a physical manifestation as you said. Coming back to the question of what touches, sees, hears, etc., I would say again that it is the physical body, but we have already established that it can be called "" like anything else, then the question arises, what can the so-called "" touch, see and hear? It is just like itself, and the only thing that turns it into a so-called touch or vision is that inner voice that says, for example, "This is a tree, I'm touching it," but if I abandon the categorization, as you suggested a little earlier, and just put my hand on the tree and close my eyes, then in time I begin to feel that we are one.
Thinking about a bird, for example. It also touches this tree, it also sees it, and so on, but inside it the voice does not say "it is I, I touch it", it just happens and I do not think that for it there is such a concept as touching, looking, seeing, I, it. So I would be glad to know how all this is perceived by a bird in a world without an inner voice 😅

I hope this all makes sense to you, I know it was a pretty chaotic message...

Best wishes
Anastasia

[Bananafish]

Hi Anastasia. :)

in time I begin to feel that we are one.

Let's do an experiment. Touch the surface of a table, close you eyes, and
observe the sensation.

Then ask yourself this question: is this sensation a hand or a table?

Please write your answer in the next reply.

Regards,

Kento