LU is focused guiding for seeing there is no real, inherent 'self' - what do you understand by this?
This would be the main question to which i'm trying to find an answer, an answer that is there but for now seems out of reach. I like to consider awareness as the sky, and the clouds passing by are what happens in life, thoughts, events, emotions. They define me, or so it was programmed growing up. It is probably the conditioning from childhood?
What are you looking for at LU?
a different way of letting life/universe/energy/vibrations be, another dimension to become nobody nowhere and experience fully the source. Exploring and experiencing more than scientific knowledge. Different dimensions. Other realities.
What do you expect from a guided conversation?
hungry for more insight, knowledge, letting go. Searching, something is calling from the I that was created. It doesn't seem enough. opening up to connectedness and nothingness seems like the thing to do.
What is your experience in terms of spiritual practices, seeking and inquiry?
just following insights from Stuart Wilde, Abraham Hicks, Neville Goddard, Alan Watts, Dolores Cannon, Osho, Seth. Meditation, ballet.
On a scale from 1 to 10, how willing are you to question any currently held beliefs about 'self?
11
StepM
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Hello Kirsbaila,
This is Yas, from London, UK.
I would be happy to guide you into this journey.
Could it be that you choose to apparently believe and keep the conditioning every single moment of NOW ?
Through anger, how does the world appear ?
And what about sadness ?
And through the eyes of love and contentment ?
How can something created do anything let alone call ??
opening up to connectedness and nothingness seems like the thing to do.
What about seeing first before doing anything ?
You can respond to my questions by copy pasting them, then select them and click Quote in the top menu.
Then the text will become like : {quote}Your text{/quote} except it will be "[" rather than "{"
And you can respond under it.
Thank you !
Yas
This is Yas, from London, UK.
I would be happy to guide you into this journey.
What about the programming right here and now ?and the clouds passing by are what happens in life, thoughts, events, emotions. They define me, or so it was programmed growing up. It is probably the conditioning from childhood?
Could it be that you choose to apparently believe and keep the conditioning every single moment of NOW ?
Other realities can be very simple.a different way of letting life/universe/energy/vibrations be, another dimension to become nobody nowhere and experience fully the source. Exploring and experiencing more than scientific knowledge. Different dimensions. Other realities.
Through anger, how does the world appear ?
And what about sadness ?
And through the eyes of love and contentment ?
Calling from the I that was created ??hungry for more insight, knowledge, letting go. Searching, something is calling from the I that was created. It doesn't seem enough. opening up to connectedness and nothingness seems like the thing to do.
How can something created do anything let alone call ??
opening up to connectedness and nothingness seems like the thing to do.
What about seeing first before doing anything ?
You can respond to my questions by copy pasting them, then select them and click Quote in the top menu.
Then the text will become like : {quote}Your text{/quote} except it will be "[" rather than "{"
And you can respond under it.
Thank you !
Yas
Re: StepM
Hello Yas! Thank you so much for answering me. I didnt realise that there was a message for me so sorry for the delay...
and the clouds passing by are what happens in life, thoughts, events, emotions. They define me, or so it was programmed growing up. It is probably the conditioning from childhood?
What about the programming right here and now ?
Could it be that you choose to apparently believe and keep the conditioning every single moment of NOW ?
a different way of letting life/universe/energy/vibrations be, another dimension to become nobody nowhere and experience fully the source. Exploring and experiencing more than scientific knowledge. Different dimensions. Other realities.
Other realities can be very simple.
Through anger, how does the world appear ?
Calling from the I that was created ??
How can something created do anything let alone call ??
opening up to connectedness and nothingness seems like the thing to do.
What about seeing first before doing anything ?
V
K
and the clouds passing by are what happens in life, thoughts, events, emotions. They define me, or so it was programmed growing up. It is probably the conditioning from childhood?
What about the programming right here and now ?
Could it be that you choose to apparently believe and keep the conditioning every single moment of NOW ?
Holy fck, yes. Never had that thought. What an insight. I am conditioning every moment apparently! But what will be left if i am not what happened to me? Can i still be of any good to my dear ones f.e.?
a different way of letting life/universe/energy/vibrations be, another dimension to become nobody nowhere and experience fully the source. Exploring and experiencing more than scientific knowledge. Different dimensions. Other realities.
Other realities can be very simple.
Through anger, how does the world appear ?
And what about sadness ?Absolutely hostile and fearful.
And through the eyes of love and contentment ?I am more comfortable with that
hungry for more insight, knowledge, letting go. Searching, something is calling from the I that was created. It doesn't seem enough. opening up to connectedness and nothingness seems like the thing to do.THat seems very out of reach.
Calling from the I that was created ??
How can something created do anything let alone call ??
I need to think about that. I feel desires, why is that?
opening up to connectedness and nothingness seems like the thing to do.
What about seeing first before doing anything ?
V
Thank you Yas! Looking forward to your insight.ery practical, but seeing what? i feel i am living with brakes on for so long, i don't know how to shift it.
K
Re: StepM
Hi Kirsbaila :)
That seems very out of reach.
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Did you notice how these emotions you are subjected to are creating different tastes and mood and realities and dimensions already ? Isn't that already something ! And who says love is out of reach ? How do you know it is ?
There is feeling you are subjected to.
There is desire for the feeling (want more of the pleasant feeling, want to get rid of the unpleasant feeling) you are also subjected to.
On account of these, there is an "I" that claim that (s)he feels desire.
But can that "I" chose NOT to desire ?
LOOK.
Can "you" (the "I") choose NOT to feel the desire ?
And inversely, could an "I" exist without the desire for say an object ?
Let's say you aquire an object. Is it really yours ? LOOK. How do you know it's really yours ? Is it ?
That should be enough for now :)
Hope you enjoy the LOOKING !
If you are not (defined by) what happened to you, wouldn't you be freer to be whoever you'd prefer to be to your loved ones ?
Holy fck, yes. Never had that thought. What an insight. I am conditioning every moment apparently! But what will be left if i am not what happened to me? Can i still be of any good to my dear ones f.e.?What about the programming right here and now ?
Could it be that you choose to apparently believe and keep the conditioning every single moment of NOW ?
And through the eyes of love and contentment ?
a different way of letting life/universe/energy/vibrations be, another dimension to become nobody nowhere and experience fully the source. Exploring and experiencing more than scientific knowledge. Different dimensions. Other realities.
Other realities can be very simple.
Through anger, how does the world appear ?
Absolutely hostile and fearful.
And what about sadness ?
I am more comfortable with that
That seems very out of reach.
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Did you notice how these emotions you are subjected to are creating different tastes and mood and realities and dimensions already ? Isn't that already something ! And who says love is out of reach ? How do you know it is ?
One key is to invert this statement.I feel desires, why is that?
There is feeling you are subjected to.
There is desire for the feeling (want more of the pleasant feeling, want to get rid of the unpleasant feeling) you are also subjected to.
On account of these, there is an "I" that claim that (s)he feels desire.
But can that "I" chose NOT to desire ?
LOOK.
Can "you" (the "I") choose NOT to feel the desire ?
And inversely, could an "I" exist without the desire for say an object ?
Let's say you aquire an object. Is it really yours ? LOOK. How do you know it's really yours ? Is it ?
That should be enough for now :)
Hope you enjoy the LOOKING !
Re: StepM
Did you notice how these emotions you are subjected to are creating different tastes and mood and realities and dimensions already ? Isn't that already something ! And who says love is out of reach ? How do you know it is ?Hi Kirsbaila :)
THANK YOU!
If you are not (defined by) what happened to you, wouldn't you be freer to be whoever you'd prefer to be to your loved ones ?
Holy fck, yes. Never had that thought. What an insight. I am conditioning every moment apparently! But what will be left if i am not what happened to me? Can i still be of any good to my dear ones f.e.?What about the programming right here and now ?
Could it be that you choose to apparently believe and keep the conditioning every single moment of NOW ?
It sounds liberating. But I am referring about my little daughter, it seems like she needs a solid base to build on in a society that we are in, whether we like it or not. And being a mother floating, doubting and who is in a different universe feels wrong to me for her. She feels it and is scared. Why?
And through the eyes of love and contentment ?
a different way of letting life/universe/energy/vibrations be, another dimension to become nobody nowhere and experience fully the source. Exploring and experiencing more than scientific knowledge. Different dimensions. Other realities.
Other realities can be very simple.
Through anger, how does the world appear ?
Absolutely hostile and fearful.
And what about sadness ?
I am more comfortable with that
That seems very out of reach.
I feel very disconnected to all adult humans , i try not to for my girl ofcourse
One key is to invert this statement.I feel desires, why is that?
There is feeling you are subjected to.
There is desire for the feeling (want more of the pleasant feeling, want to get rid of the unpleasant feeling) you are also subjected to.
On account of these, there is an "I" that claim that (s)he feels desire.
But can that "I" chose NOT to desire ?
LOOK.
Can "you" (the "I") choose NOT to feel the desire ?
That would be so freeing! to just be.
Yes, it feels 100 tons lifted but i am responsible for my girls happiness and safety. And that takes the responsibility immediately.
And inversely, could an "I" exist without the desire for say an object ?
Let's say you aquire an object. Is it really yours ? LOOK. How do you know it's really yours ? Is it ?
Nothing is mine, certainly not objects, I don't care about objects but ifeel responsible for making my girl feel safe as much as i can in this world that is familiar to me. I want her to be safe and be herself. I am wandering though, questioning everything and that makes her feel imbalanced i think.
Sorry for talking too much about my girl. I feel very guilty for not being the best parent that she needs
Thank you for your time and thoughts!
K.
That should be enough for now :)
Hope you enjoy the LOOKING !
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Re: StepM
Dear Kirsbaila,
I've been looking through some pages on 'the gate' to see if there are people where people haven't been guided. It seems you had someone helping (Silagtigi) but he/she didn't respond anymore. Maybe it was forgotten or the notifications weren't turned on. I can proceed if you wish. Because it's a long time ago I'm not sure if you perhaps already created a new thread with another account or that you won't look here anymore. For that case I copied-pasted an exercise I've recently been using so you could start right away when you come online.
Dream analogy
I use the following story more times, so I copied-pasted it so that I don't have to write it over and over. I wrote this for a man once, and so if you're a woman, please reverse the sexes in the following story. In that case, you'd imagine that you're dreaming being a man and not a woman. I only worked your name in the story at the end, to make it a little more convincing :-).
Could you imagine that tonight you're going to bed and dream that you're a woman in that dream. I say woman, because I've imaged you identify as a man, and want to create a little contrast. Please imagine what that could look like for a second. Try to imagine it very vividly, like a first-person view (so it's not like you see the backside of the body, but rather that you're looking through the eyes) and just like it is happening in your real time/present time. No need to spend a lot of time at it, just a moment will do. Okay, so when you've imaged that, you can proceed reading. I asked you to imagine this, because in our language we often say things like 'I am this, I am that, etc.' and I would like you to get an idea of what 'being something' in our language actually refers to. What experiences did you imagining being there, in order that you'd say 'I'm a woman'? I can imagine you could have imagined feeling a little different, that there might be a different self-image and thoughts of a past, maybe the voice would be more feminine sounding than usual, maybe you sometimes see a womanhand or so in your visual field. Frankly, I could imagine that the self-image/past thoughts actually contributed most to the idea/sense of being a woman, what do you think? In any case, of whatever you imaged, or could imagine, you might agree that of all the things you imaged to create a woman in your imagination, could be called like a sort of 'womanness'. But.. was there an actual woman there? Did the things you associate with 'being a woman', the womanness, constitute an actual entity that could be called a woman? Perhaps you agree that that is not true, because you could for example change the dream so that you'd now refer to it as being a horse or so, and no actual woman died there. There might have been what we call womanness, but not an actual woman, right? So we may use language to say things like 'I was a woman in my dream', and it is fine if we keep using language like that, but it's not the truth of the matter, right? Okay, so why this exercise, why is this significant? Well, because isn't what you're experiencing right now, what people sometimes refer to as reality, or waking life, not just the same situation as the dream? I asked you to imagine that you were dreaming, and frankly of course you weren't even really dreaming, but I could just have well asked if you could imagine that your experience right now was just transforming like you're becoming a woman. The experience is the same either way, either if you call it dream or waking life or whatever. So.. now in your present experience there might be a voice, certain feelings, thoughts, perceptions that you might associated with being a man, and even more so with being a biological entity, a self, a person, a you, but not an actual entity as such, is there? Perhaps we could say there is a sort of Kirsbailaness to the experience, but without an actual Kirsbaila?
Wishing you well,
Floris
I've been looking through some pages on 'the gate' to see if there are people where people haven't been guided. It seems you had someone helping (Silagtigi) but he/she didn't respond anymore. Maybe it was forgotten or the notifications weren't turned on. I can proceed if you wish. Because it's a long time ago I'm not sure if you perhaps already created a new thread with another account or that you won't look here anymore. For that case I copied-pasted an exercise I've recently been using so you could start right away when you come online.
Dream analogy
I use the following story more times, so I copied-pasted it so that I don't have to write it over and over. I wrote this for a man once, and so if you're a woman, please reverse the sexes in the following story. In that case, you'd imagine that you're dreaming being a man and not a woman. I only worked your name in the story at the end, to make it a little more convincing :-).
Could you imagine that tonight you're going to bed and dream that you're a woman in that dream. I say woman, because I've imaged you identify as a man, and want to create a little contrast. Please imagine what that could look like for a second. Try to imagine it very vividly, like a first-person view (so it's not like you see the backside of the body, but rather that you're looking through the eyes) and just like it is happening in your real time/present time. No need to spend a lot of time at it, just a moment will do. Okay, so when you've imaged that, you can proceed reading. I asked you to imagine this, because in our language we often say things like 'I am this, I am that, etc.' and I would like you to get an idea of what 'being something' in our language actually refers to. What experiences did you imagining being there, in order that you'd say 'I'm a woman'? I can imagine you could have imagined feeling a little different, that there might be a different self-image and thoughts of a past, maybe the voice would be more feminine sounding than usual, maybe you sometimes see a womanhand or so in your visual field. Frankly, I could imagine that the self-image/past thoughts actually contributed most to the idea/sense of being a woman, what do you think? In any case, of whatever you imaged, or could imagine, you might agree that of all the things you imaged to create a woman in your imagination, could be called like a sort of 'womanness'. But.. was there an actual woman there? Did the things you associate with 'being a woman', the womanness, constitute an actual entity that could be called a woman? Perhaps you agree that that is not true, because you could for example change the dream so that you'd now refer to it as being a horse or so, and no actual woman died there. There might have been what we call womanness, but not an actual woman, right? So we may use language to say things like 'I was a woman in my dream', and it is fine if we keep using language like that, but it's not the truth of the matter, right? Okay, so why this exercise, why is this significant? Well, because isn't what you're experiencing right now, what people sometimes refer to as reality, or waking life, not just the same situation as the dream? I asked you to imagine that you were dreaming, and frankly of course you weren't even really dreaming, but I could just have well asked if you could imagine that your experience right now was just transforming like you're becoming a woman. The experience is the same either way, either if you call it dream or waking life or whatever. So.. now in your present experience there might be a voice, certain feelings, thoughts, perceptions that you might associated with being a man, and even more so with being a biological entity, a self, a person, a you, but not an actual entity as such, is there? Perhaps we could say there is a sort of Kirsbailaness to the experience, but without an actual Kirsbaila?
Wishing you well,
Floris
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