Out of conceptions

[phillip]

Greetings

I don't exist. I was imagen of my self. Nobody needs no one, no think.
Man is just like animal is and don't need to think about anythink.

Earth is turning around whit out of any conceptions, but conceptions are changing world.
I can imagen that whit less quantity of conceptions this place will be better to live.
Live just is.Thinks are passing off.

I think there is somethink permanent - that not everythink is just one mind.

I am here course I evolved and want to see what happend to others.

I am from Poland- english is not my first language.

Best regards

[No_One]

So you would say you have seen through the illusion of self I guess. How did that happen? What's the difference between before and after? How does the illusion of self happen in practice?

Really make it detailed and practical, put 'your' experience on the line. Convince us that we have the same experience.

[phillip]

Difference is only in feeling. Expression of everythink around what man recive whit senses. Feeling silence in side, and connection to movement. I see people beliving in 'I must', 'Ihave to', 'I am'. Hmm....
Joy of all existance in present moment is a feeling makes this man happy :)

[phillip]

I don't exist mean that I can not do anythink. I am not a thinker, I don't feel thinks. There is no me at all.
All I was, was only a conception of me but when I was serching, I couldn't find me. There is a man which is doing what he is doing quite normaly what after but there is no belive in any I so I see that I am talking to my self :) Hehehe
What to write more about ....

[phillip]

Please ask me questions. I would like to ( mind proces whit no I) recomend this site to my friend.

[Ilona]

Hey Philip, can you tell us your story, how you woke up, what triggered it, how did it feel after crossing the line. and how would you describe it all to somebody who has never heard about this before?

[phillip]

Hey Philip, can you tell us your story, how you woke up, what triggered it, how did it feel after crossing the line. and how would you describe it all to somebody who has never heard about this before?

Ok, so I was surffing web, then I came to the subject of non-existence. It was a polish kind of ruthless truth.
I began to serch. Firstly I had check that I don't realy understand my opinion thet we are one. They ask my how I am doing thinks like moving my body, who is thinking? No one can plan move of this body, no one can plan next thought.
I said that I am awerness. They asked me, what I can do as a awerness? I can do nothing. I had to anserw like I'M, but in a moment minde realized that there is no me inside of the body, and I am not a human - then anserw was clear - there is no me. I felt free, but I start to live whit the conception of 'I don't exist'. Not for a long time. Conception comes into reality - mind start to see the truth of non egsitence. I feel free now :)

I am still talling to people 'look at the tru' in reality and on web in the way like this mind has figure it out.
I am talling people - find yourself, I will try to show you the way.

[phillip]

Please ask me questions. I would like to ( mind proces whit no I) recomend this site to my friend.

[phillip]

I feel free now

There is no one who can feel free. The point is, thet the mind is recognizing all feeling, thoughts and circumstances to someone who is imagination. When my mind get to realize the tru and see it, human start to feel more free whit the tru, than before.

[CreatriX]

Hi Phillip,
so you are saying that you were liberated,
and you are ready to answer some questions which will confirm
that you have seen through the illusion of self, right?

How was it when you realized the truth ? (Did you laugh ? were you shocked ? amazed ? happy ?)
And how do you feel now, several weeks later ?
Is anything different ?
Do you have any doubts ?
Are there changes in your personal, everyday life ?

Agnes

[phillip]

Yesssssss man. This moment when I realized the truth, was like - omg I have got no ideas to be... then were very fast thougts, came into sillent... and smile... finger was comming closer to push 'enter' on keyboard, whit I don't exist, and when i did it it was so funny I had laugh, and more funny than the people where laughting whit me,hehe - I felt greate!
Next days I ve seen my 'I' in, so decidet to observe. When I was geting pissed, I 'observe', and I am very peacefull these days. No one can make me mad, now. I am observing all time: my thoughts and when people sayng sentences which dosn't compare to reality. Digging it diper and focus on tru.

Phillip

[CreatriX]

Phillip,

I am glad to read that you were able to go behind the thoughts and that made you see.
Do you remember what exactly made you see ?
When did it happen, how long ago and do you still feel the same intensity of alertness ?
Do you feel to be liberated 100 % ?

Yeah, we will never forget the moment of realizing the truth... that gap between thoughts.
Always available. Waiting for us to discover it. It only takes some practice to learn how to dive deep.

In one of your previous posts you wrote:

I am still talling to people 'look at the tru' in reality and on web in the way like this mind has figure it out.
I am talling people - find yourself, I will try to show you the way.

How is it going ? How do you explain that there is no self to someone who never heard about it before ?
Is it easy for you, or do you find it complicated talking about the truth
( because it cannot be understood by the mind )?
Many times the false ego/character does not want to give up it's position.
What about the relationship between suffering and the truth ? How do you see this aspect ?

If you have any questions feel free to ask.

[phillip]

Do you remember what exactly made you see ?

Exactly, I was finding my self and then I had this feeling like -'there is no way out, isn't possible to be.'

When did it happen, how long ago and do you still feel the same intensity of alertness

I see that people is identity whit them thoughts, moves, feelings and others and thirl those to someone who dosen't exist. This staining alertness is for minds workshop to check out something which calls full enlighment.

Do you feel to be liberated 100 % ?

Yes. I hadn't stress or agressive sytuations since long time. Nothing is pushing me next to the wall, so I feel more flexible, airy, more stright way seeing.

How is it going ? How do you explain that there is no self to someone who never heard about it before ?

I won't explain, I will try to entice someone to look. Look for, you... Who do you see... Yes, you realy see this?
No one can do this to someone whit any explenation - can only try show him the way, how to look.

Is it easy for you, or do you find it complicated talking about the truth
( because it cannot be understood by the mind )?

No. It is not problem to say someone the truth and recomend him to look or show him direction.
Sometimes I ask - are you mind? Can you don't think and plan next thought? Is this you and a mind or minde just is?

Many times the false ego/character does not want to give up it's position.

Everyone will has a time to do this, so no pushing false ego/character. No means no.

What about the relationship between suffering and the truth ? How do you see this aspect ?

If someone see the truth, then is no suffer at all.

If you have any questions feel free to ask.

Out of conceptions

[CreatriX]

Thank you Phillip for answering the questions.
If you don't mind, here are some more :

How long have you been on the spiritual path and searching for the Truth ?

What do you think : the LU Gate is a metaphor/symbol for what ?

When was the last time you thought or said : why is this happening to me ?

Is there any sense of "my life" ?

Do you own something/anything ?

What is the difference between thoughts and the I/me/self ?

Is there a 'false' self, a 'higher' self, a 'true' self or anything that could be called a self ?

Is the no-self experience different from the no-ego experience ?

Is it possible that personality can exist alongside an inner experience of no-self ?

[phillip]

How long have you been on the spiritual path and searching for the Truth ?

some about 4months ago

What do you think : the LU Gate is a metaphor/symbol for what ?

I don't think :) Maybe this is symbol of this sytuations when human is realy recognizing the truth, which stays for rest of life. This is symbol of this line we are crossing, then we see that life just is, whit out any seperated self.

When was the last time you thought or said : why is this happening to me ?

some about 4months ago

Is there any sense of "my life" ?

Do you own something/anything ?

Is there a 'false' self, a 'higher' self, a 'true' self or anything that could be called a self ?

Is the no-self experience different from the no-ego experience ?

No

What is the difference between thoughts and the I/me/self ?

Thoughts of I and me, dosn't make a point to someone or somethink real.
Ther is no separate self. All is one self/one being.

Is it possible that personality can exist alongside an inner experience of no-self ?

Yes but it isn't real personality. Is inside of a man, created whit mind, which was ascribe thoughts, feelings, circumstances to somethink which dosn't exist. This fals picture of separated self can't do anythink and disapear when mind starts to recognizeing the truth.