Could I start again?

[lunaysol]

Hi!

Rohit was working with me but I haven't answered for at least two weeks... I'd like to continue :)

Montse

[Rohit]

Hi Montse,
let me know where are you with this now, so that we can continue from there.

[lunaysol]

Hi ,

I don't know exacly how does a thought start.

Check .The presumption that thoughts are occurring to somebody is just another thought.

Sometimes I haven't been able to stop certain thoughts but lately I've been aware that fear is only a thought I keep in my mind and I haven't been scared.

if you are unable to stop certain thoughts ,how do you stop other thoughts ?

I think that first a thought comes to my mind,then I keep it and feed it... ,The source of all thoughts? Is it the mind,then?

yes ,the source of thoughts is mind .But If the mind is generating the thoughts, what's driving the mind?

Rohit

[lunaysol]

Hi!

That was our last message.

The presumption that thoughts are occurring to somebody is just another thought.

I don't know what to say about this. I agree...

I'm not sure about what to say... I don't like words so much... They're only thoughts. Words are not real.

what's driving the mind?

I am. But who am I?

I just are. I' m not "I", I am the fact of being, and it's happening now.

[lunaysol]

I ment "I just am". Yo solo soy... I am... but I am not ???

[Rohit]

Hi Montse,

LOOK at your thoughts - is there any thinker causing the thoughts to occur, anyone who is thinking the thoughts?
Sensations may arise- is there any senser sensing these sensations, or just sensations arising?
Emotions may arise- is there a feeler feeling them, or just feelings arising?
Actions may be done- is there an actor doing these, or just actions being done?

[lunaysol]

Hi :)

The answer to those question is no. There is no thinker... There is no one feeling anything or having sensations. A body is acting but actions are just happening. Only actions but not a real actor. I guess I'm attached to my body because today I felt fear.

[Rohit]

What are you afraid of? There is NO YOU. That thing. That you believe in. Or that you 'feel' is there. IT'S NOT. See it for yourself. Test it. It's not your fear, mate. It's just fear.

[lunaysol]

What are you afraid of? There is NO YOU.

I don't know exacly what I am afraid of... I know there's no I.

What about hate, fear or love?... they're only feelings and I know I don't feel but feelings just are there. They are strong sometimes though.

How can I experience that "it's not ME"? I understand it well I guess. How can I experience it completely?
I guess I experience the non self sometimes but sometimes I get lost into the ego.

What can I do?

[Rohit]

What about hate, fear or love?... they're only feelings and I know I don't feel but feelings just are there. They are strong sometimes though.

so, what is the problem? And it's not a problem, unless you honestly don't see that it comes from nowhere. UNLESS it is clear that it isn't, couldn't, never did, nor will ever come from some actual thing called a self.

How can I experience that "it's not ME"? I understand it well I guess. How can I experience it completely?
I guess I experience the non self sometimes but sometimes

An experience does not have to be caused by an experiencer. And there doesn't have to be an experiencer at all. All these experiences exist, but there IS NO EXPERIENCER. The impression that there's an experiencer, is an experience. But, even then, THERE IS NO EXPERIENCER experiencing that. what is it that experiences the experience? just look for a self and tell me what you see?

I get lost into the ego.

Look and see if you can find the ego. What did you find?

[lunaysol]

Hi :)

The answer is that I don't see anything. Nothing... but is it love then or nothing or both?

Is the void the solution?

[Rohit]

Is the void the solution?

what do you mean by void?

The answer is that I don't see anything.

Well if you see nothing, then what is there? "YOU"?
Experience is true right? But who is there to experience?!.

Nothing... but is it love then or nothing or both?

Feeling of nothingness/ love/ anger/ frustration or whatever , well what is it? And what is having the feeling?
Do you have a problem with the sky being blue? There is a natural allowing going on, and it’s not something you do.There is a natural love for everything. isn't it?
There's isn't anything holding on to the 'me' sense. There is a sense of me, and a thought that says 'I need to hold on to the sense of me'. And it's just a thought.

[lunaysol]

Hi :)

I meant emptiness when I said "void".

Well if you see nothing, then what is there? "YOU"?
Experience is true right? But who is there to experience?!.

I'm not there. There's only an experience...

Feeling of nothingness/ love/ anger/ frustration or whatever , well what is it? And what is having the feeling?
Do you have a problem with the sky being blue? There is a natural allowing going on, and it’s not something you do.There is a natural love for everything. isn't it?
There's isn't anything holding on to the 'me' sense. There is a sense of me, and a thought that says 'I need to hold on to the sense of me'. And it's just a thought.

The feeling is there by itself. I know the sense on a real "me" is a thought. Everything is great as it is. Nothing need to be changed. Thoughts are not good not bad, they exist for a moment but they aren't "me".

[Rohit]

Hi Montse,

I meant emptiness when I said "void".

The word "emptiness" is so often misunderstood because when there is a thought of it as a concept, one says "what do you mean by empty?" Everything is there: there are the people, and there are their insides, guts and their bones and blood and everything is full of stuff- and the mind is not empty either. It's got ideas, thoughts and feelings. And even when it doesn't have those, what do you mean by emptiness? The only thing that is empty is the emptiness of an ENTITY. And that is what is called anatta, non-self. Empty of an entity. There is nobody there. It is all imagination/thought.

I'm not there. There's only an experience... The feeling is there by itself. I know the sense on a real "me" is a thought. Everything is great as it is. Nothing need to be changed. Thoughts are not good not bad, they exist for a moment but they aren't "me".

Ok. Montse, is there a you? can you exist without a thought of "YOU"?

[lunaysol]

Hi :)

Ok, the absence of everything is everything... I don't know how to explain it with words. There's no entity...

Ok. Montse, is there a you? can you exist without a thought of "YOU"?

Yes, I exist without the thought of me! But I still have fears... I understand it but I'm scared sometimes so I'm still attached...