Seeing the illusion of self

[Luchana]

Hi Fritz,
we are looking that this what you are describing here:

When I observe seeing I notice that objects appear in my field of view. They may change, or shift, or go away.
When I turn my head, other objects appear.
Seeing provides a constant way to prove that objects exist. For example, I walk up stairs, and I see each stair
before I put my foot on it, so that I won't fall.

Is what is happening and no "me" IN it.

It Is like you are with virtual glasses , live streaming, fresh, fresh every moment, notice that right now?
and:
- allow yourself to notice that there is no you in anything which is here: sensations, sounds, thoughts, visual field.... everything is here by itself in this very moment.

- and then notice deep in you, behind the scene - where everything appears from?



Love,
Luchana

[FritzAA]

- allow yourself to notice that there is no you in anything which is here: sensations, sounds, thoughts, visual field.... everything is here by itself in this very moment.

I can observe those sensations, sounds, thoughts, visual field. And no, there is no 'me' in them.

But that still does not change the fact that I FEEL a me here inside. When I wake up in the morning it's the first thing I feel.

If you say 'where is the evidence for it?' I reply, "I don't need evidence. The fact that I feel it is all I need.

Fritz

[Luchana]

Hi dear Fritz,

Beautiful observation

But that still does not change the fact that I FEEL a me here inside. When I wake up in the morning it's the first thing I feel.

This which you point - inside - is the heart, where everything appears from.
With eyes closed - go deep in you, find what is your deepest desire?
Notice that this is not a persona Fritz, you are the heart and desire for life, happiness, freedom... are not personal, nothing personal here.
Notice with open eyes, that all this beauty here is because of the desire of the heart, because of your desire.
Everything in the visual field is your own dream. You can allow yourself to trust this beauty here.
Notice that non-duality points that there are not 2 things, not persona.
This is freedom, you are the whole phenomena, the whole miracle.
You can relax open your heart and follow desires which are coming from you.
You are nothingness full of everything

Notice that thoughts appear from the heart, from you. And only because you believe that you are something small, separate the thoughts appear as if there is someone in danger and someone should be ruled and protected.

Now invitation is to notice that everything is life itself, but not someone fall here by chance?

look around, who is looking?
The heart its own manifestation or persona hidden behind the eyes?

You are big...

So much love to you,
Luchana

[FritzAA]

This which you point - inside - is the heart, where everything appears from.
With eyes closed - go deep in you, find what is your deepest desire?
Notice that this is not a persona Fritz, you are the heart and desire for life, happiness, freedom... are not personal, nothing personal here.
Notice with open eyes, that all this beauty here is because of the desire of the heart, because of your desire.
Everything in the visual field is your own dream. You can allow yourself to trust this beauty here.
Notice that non-duality points that there are not 2 things, not persona.
This is freedom, you are the whole phenomena, the whole miracle.
You can relax open your heart and follow desires which are coming from you.
You are nothingness full of everything

This is so beautiful, like a poem. Unfortunately it is not my experience yet
but I will keep reading it.

[Luchana]

Hi Fritz,

Unfortunately it is not my experience yet
but I will keep reading it.

Nice, I would love to hear your experience.
You don't have to read it many times, no need for that.
no need for understanding. All I am asking is to check right now in your own direct experience .

Try with the hand. While reading these words, leave one of the hands and while the hand is mooving look:



What moves the hand:
A tought? A body?
Someone IN the body?

Play with that?
What is that wich is playing with the hand? :)


Sending love,
Luchana

[FritzAA]

What moves the hand:
A tought? A body?
Someone IN the body?

Play with that?
What is that wich is playing with the hand? :)

It's someone in the body. I know that for YOU the answer is probably "There is no one moving the hand, because there is
no Self." But that is not what is seen here.

Thanks,
Fritz

[Luchana]

Hi dear Fritz,

It's someone in the body.

Yea, we are so focused in thoughts and body and we believe that they are someone separate from the rest
Invitation is to notice the whole picture, right now, fresh - there is This around, including a body, thoughts and sensations - one big experience, right now - it is easy for you to find what I am talking about.
And the next "step" is to notice that all this show, right now in this very moment is not running by any "me"

And this is it, it is not big deal.
Just thoughts and sensations are not a persona but part from what is going on right now, right?

Much love,

Luchana

[FritzAA]

Yea, we are so focused in thoughts and body and we believe that they are someone separate from the rest
Invitation is to notice the whole picture, right now, fresh - there is This around, including a body, thoughts and sensations - one big experience, right now - it is easy for you to find what I am talking about.
And the next "step" is to notice that all this show, right now in this very moment is not running by any "me"

And this is it, it is not big deal.
Just thoughts and sensations are not a persona but part from what is going on right now, right?

This SOUNDS great, but it is not my experience. I don't find what you find. The body has always been separate from the rest. So are the thoughts.
I am becoming more comfortable with the apparent fact that in this Lifetime I am not going to see through the separate self, or to see that the 'me' does not exist. For me it is real. But the difference now is that years ago I thought it was TERRIBLE that I don't see that the Self is not real. I thought I was a horrible, stupid person to not see this when everyone else on Liberation Unleashed and elsewhere sees it so clearly. But now I notice that I am not so bothered by it. I think it is like a fruit tree; when the apple is ripe it will fall, but when it is not ripe you can't force it.

[Luchana]

Hi Fritz,

I am becoming more comfortable with the apparent fact that in this Lifetime I am not going to see through the separate self, or to see that the 'me' does not exist. For me it is real. But the difference now is that years ago I thought it was TERRIBLE that I don't see that the Self is not real. I thought I was a horrible, stupid person to not see this when everyone else on Liberation Unleashed and elsewhere sees it so clearly. But now I notice that I am not so bothered by it. I think it is like a fruit tree; when the apple is ripe it will fall, but when it is not ripe you can't force it.

Thank you for sharing your experience. Yea, there was never anything wrong with you

Notice - what is in the way of see that really there is no self anywhere right now in this very moment?


Sending love,
Luchana

[FritzAA]

Notice - what is in the way of see that really there is no self anywhere right now in this very moment?

Nothing is in the way. I feel the Self. It is as real as ever. In fact, it is more real than YOU. I can FEEL the self inside my head, so I don't know what you mean when you say there is no self anywhere.

Whereas even you, I know you as words on a screen. That doesn't prove you exist. Or I can see you and Lubo on Youtube. That also doesn't prove you exist; you could be an artist's creation. But the self is something I feel.

[Luchana]

Hi Fritz,

All right, let's look here:

I can FEEL the self inside my head

What comes when you say:

"I, the mind, believe that I am a self but not just a mind"


Yes, there is no Lubo, no Luchana, no others.

Much love

[FritzAA]

What comes when you say:

"I, the mind, believe that I am a self but not just a mind"

What comes when I say that is confusion. First, I don't know what a mind is. I don't call myself a mind. Also,
I don't 'believe' I am a self. I feel it. It's not a thought. It's not like I make an observation and then CONCLUDE, using thought, that I must be something called a 'self'. I feel what I am, and then AFTERWARDS I might try to describe it, and words like 'me', 'I', 'self' appear. I don't need those words to define what I am, they are just concepts.

I suspect I may be different than other people in LU, because when I read books by Ilona and Elena, or blog posts by Vivian or Vince or the Fetters people, I never see that they say that before liberation they 'felt' a self. For them Self was always a thought, or something created by thought, so as soon as they LOOKED clearly, without any bias or opinion, they could see that what they thought was a Self does not exist, and never existed. It's not like that for me.

Love, Fritz

[Luchana]

Hi Fritz,

I suspect I may be different than other people in LU, because when I read books by Ilona and Elena, or blog posts by Vivian or Vince or the Fetters people, I never see that they say that before liberation they 'felt' a self. For them Self was always a thought, or something created by thought, so as soon as they LOOKED clearly, without any bias or opinion, they could see that what they thought was a Self does not exist, and never existed. It's not like that for me.

yea,..this suspicion is so on point. For each one is completely utterly different. And the clarity comes when we stops comprising with someone else's experience and start looking what's alive in our own direct experience.

No one else can see that on your behalf.

I would like to ask you one question, can you spend some time with it and reflect deeply.

What do you really really want?


Sending love,
Luchana

[FritzAA]

I would like to ask you one question, can you spend some time with it and reflect deeply.

What do you really really want?

I want to see the Truth about the Self. I don't want to adopt someone's opinion. Even if Ilona or the Buddha or Ramana Maharshi says it does not exist, that means nothing unless I myself can see it does not exist. So far, my investigation, my pure looking, does not show me that the Self is not real. So I still don't know what people mean when they say the 'me' does not exist.

[Luchana]

Hi Fritz,

I am with you.
Notice that you want to find that you are something much bigger and that there is no persona and never was. That there is nothing wich belong to the persona.

Sit for a while. Let the sistem calm.
without relating to thoughts (they will never get it)
"LOOK" what really is here for 30 sek,
There are ONLY 5 senses, only colours, sounds, sensations and non of them are here by effort of any persona.
Then notice that thoughts are coming from other place, they just comment and label colours and forms.

Are you a persona/thing?

Notice also in the morning someone is waking up or there is show starting - colours, sounds...by itself, ?

I am with you,
This is closer then the breath, more obvious than the light.

Much love,
L.