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Re: They say I don't exist

Postby Harry » Mon Nov 13, 2023 1:11 am

I=past. People form an opinion by visualizing people's past in their minds. A person is a different self for each person. I am an ever-changing character that remains as a result of summarizing this past.

Do have any experience of a character, in addition to characteristics?

Do you have any experience of the past?

We can think about the past, but can we actually experience it?


A person is a different self for each person.
Do you mean that a person is a different self for each body?

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Re: They say I don't exist

Postby kirmizihap » Tue Nov 14, 2023 3:36 pm

Do have any experience of a character, in addition to characteristics?
When I take on characteristics, I become a character. My roles change constantly.
Do you have any experience of the past?
no just a memory
We can think about the past, but can we actually experience it?
we remember, We visualize it, it won't be like it is at that moment.
Do you mean that a person is a different self for each body?
Although there are similarities in each person's character, each person has a special character.

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Re: They say I don't exist

Postby Harry » Thu Nov 16, 2023 12:29 pm

Do have any experience of a character, in addition to characteristics?
When I take on characteristics, I become a character. My roles change constantly.

See if you can be more strictly experiential; describe everything in terms of direct experience (thought, sensation, colour, sound). Let’s avoid any words that don’t correlate with a direct experience.


Although there are similarities in each person's character, each person has a special character.

But to what experience does the word ‘person’ actual refer to?

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Re: They say I don't exist

Postby kirmizihap » Fri Nov 17, 2023 2:35 am

See if you can be more strictly experiential; describe everything in terms of direct experience (thought, sensation, colour, sound). Let’s avoid any words that don’t correlate with a direct experience.
Then the closest experience to this is thought. But sometimes things that are just thoughts in my dreams do not remain just dreams, but are accompanied by emotions. For example, when we think of a delicious meal, our mouth waters.
But to what experience does the word ‘person’ actual refer to?
It refers to thought from direct experiences.

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Re: They say I don't exist

Postby Harry » Fri Nov 17, 2023 8:57 am

Then the closest experience to this is thought. But sometimes things that are just thoughts in my dreams do not remain just dreams, but are accompanied by emotions. For example, when we think of a delicious meal, our mouth waters.

I’m looking for a more instantaneous and specific answer (‘for example’ implies memory, whereas we’re concerned with our experience now).

You referred to yourself as ‘character’.

But do you have an actual experience of such a character in this moment?

Is the character a thought, sensation, sight, sound, taste or smell?

If it is none of these, what could it be?

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Re: They say I don't exist

Postby kirmizihap » Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:55 pm

But do you have an actual experience of such a character in this moment?

Is the character a thought, sensation, sight, sound, taste or smell?

If it is none of these, what could it be?
The character is actually an idea and an imaginary entity. but this character also emerges as voice and feeling/sensation.

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Re: They say I don't exist

Postby Harry » Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:22 pm

The character is actually an idea and an imaginary entity. but this character also emerges as voice and feeling/sensation.

An idea / imagined entity (as you know) is not an actual entity, it’s just a thought ABOUT one.

There is a voice, but is there a ‘speaker’? How do you know the voice belongs to a character?

There are sensations/feelings, but are they sensations of a character? Or are they just sensations?

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Re: They say I don't exist

Postby kirmizihap » Wed Nov 22, 2023 2:06 pm

An idea / imagined entity (as you know) is not an actual entity, it’s just a thought ABOUT one.

There is a voice, but is there a ‘speaker’? How do you know the voice belongs to a character?

There are sensations/feelings, but are they sensations of a character? Or are they just sensations?
It would be okay if it wasn't called character. But the sounds or feelings come from me, not from the surroundings.

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Re: They say I don't exist

Postby Harry » Thu Nov 23, 2023 1:00 am

It would be okay if it wasn't called character. But the sounds or feelings come from me, not from the surroundings.

Are there two separate places in your experience:

‘Me’ and ‘my surroundings’ / ‘Inside’ and ‘outside’?



If there are two places, what exactly separates them or defines them, in actual experience?

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Re: They say I don't exist

Postby Harry » Thu Nov 23, 2023 1:00 am

It would be okay if it wasn't called character. But the sounds or feelings come from me, not from the surroundings.

Are there two separate places in your experience:

‘Me’ and ‘my surroundings’ / ‘Inside’ and ‘outside’?



If there are two places, what exactly separates them or defines them, in actual experience?

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Re: They say I don't exist

Postby Harry » Thu Nov 23, 2023 1:00 am

It would be okay if it wasn't called character. But the sounds or feelings come from me, not from the surroundings.

Are there two separate places in your experience:

‘Me’ and ‘my surroundings’ / ‘Inside’ and ‘outside’?



If there are two places, what exactly separates them or defines them, in actual experience?

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Re: They say I don't exist

Postby Harry » Thu Nov 23, 2023 1:01 am

Sorry about the glitch there, not sure why my response is posted three times!

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Re: They say I don't exist

Postby kirmizihap » Sat Nov 25, 2023 10:15 pm

Sorry about the glitch there, not sure why my response is posted three times!
Are there two separate places in your experience:

‘Me’ and ‘my surroundings’ / ‘Inside’ and ‘outside’?

If there are two places, what exactly separates them or defines them, in actual experience?
In fact, there is simply one experience. However, we can classify this experience as sounds, images, etc. There is a realm of thought that accompanies the experience of daily life in the background. We can call this experience internal experience. We believe that other people know very little of our inner experiences. But when we look at it from our perspective, every thought and image that comes to our mind is an experience, albeit in a faint and imperceptible way, unlike the real world.

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Re: They say I don't exist

Postby Harry » Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:50 pm

In fact, there is simply one experience. However, we can classify this experience as sounds, images, etc. There is a realm of thought that accompanies the experience of daily life in the background. We can call this experience internal experience. We believe that other people know very little of our inner experiences. But when we look at it from our perspective, every thought and image that comes to our mind is an experience, albeit in a faint and imperceptible way, unlike the real world.

You are absolutely right that we classify experience, which is always one. However, there is diversity of appearance (such as seeing two different colours), would you agree?

Is the classification of experience anything but the content of thought? Is it anything more than an idea?

Is the so-called ‘real world’ any less of an experience than thoughts and images?

Does the world not appear to you as colours, tastes, sounds, smells, tastes and textures, all of which are experiences?

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Re: They say I don't exist

Postby kirmizihap » Wed Nov 29, 2023 7:25 pm

However, there is diversity of appearance (such as seeing two different colours), would you agree?
Yes there is.
Is the classification of experience anything but the content of thought? Is it anything more than an idea?
Yes, classification with one thought. But for example, there is a very clear distinction between smelling and seeing.
Is the so-called ‘real world’ any less of an experience than thoughts and images?
The real world is a more concrete world than thoughts and feelings, but I am a person more concentrated in the realm of thought. it inspires me about the outside world.
Does the world not appear to you as colours, tastes, sounds, smells, tastes and textures, all of which are experiences?
It certainly looks like it.


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