EllejBee ad nauseum

[ElleBee]

Hi Trisha!

Where do you live? You had spelled "colour" earlier, so it can't be the US. And -- no problem with being "late", you're not really. Pretty good timing, in fact.

And then, when you saw, that ‘Santa Claus’ really was your father or uncle or neighbour dressed up as Santa Claus, you deeply got it. No more doubts, ever. You can never again not see that Santa Claus does not exist for real.


Can you see this difference?
Yes, there are things that you learn that are just something to go into your checklist of things that you know. Then there are things that are paradigm shifts and the Santa Claus thing is one of those. You think one thing is true, then something happens and your whole view on that matter turns upside down.

Now pay very close attention to your body sensations:

What do you feel/sense in your body? Where in the body?
For the lying exercise, there was pressure in the chest region, feeling of heart racing, maybe some pressure in the throat, and the emotion of panic (fear) and embarrassment.

Thanks for your feedback! This actually helped to put it in perspective (that forgetting and ignoring are happening). Like it doesn't necessarily mean "I" am a lost cause (which is something that pops in as a thought, like I am wasting my and your time, this won't work for me, etc. It's an insidious feeling that I think came about when nothing else that I ever tried actually made any difference at all (in terms of awakening, if that's the right term). It's because none of them ever pointed to the truth.

Lisa

[TeeKa112]

Hi LIsa,

ha, yes, I am German and live in Germany, so I learned British English at school. Though I have much more American English speaking friends than from the UK or Ireland, they say I have an english accent, beside the german accent of course :-)

Yes, there are things that you learn that are just something to go into your checklist of things that you know.

Really?

Or is it possible that you get trained to see and understand things in a certain way and you believe and normally don’t question?

Example: We all learned to believe in the illusion: there is an entity in us, a self, an ‘I’ or ‘me’ that does things and takes decisions and manages our lives.


Yes, you say it nicely, and only when it happens that you can SEE for yourself, experience the truth, you can let that belief go. Exactly. That is why working with DE is so important here.
No choice.


Can you see where I am pointing to?

For the lying exercise, there was pressure in the chest region, feeling of heart racing, maybe some pressure in the throat, and the emotion of panic (fear) and embarrassment.

Yes, very good investigating into the body sensations!

It is found that when we lie, the body sensations are mostly constriction or pressure in throat, chest area or/and belly.


You label these sensations panic/fear or embarrassment.

The labelling of sensations is much more arbitrating than we normally think of, depending of what seems appropriate to us in this very moment.


Now you know, these sensations only point to the fact that you were lying.

Can you see this now?


A body sensation of fear makes you act immediately, like a dog behaving very aggressively, you either run or shout or give a biscuit. You see a car rushing at you? You jump.


OK, let’s look at these thoughts:

"I" am a lost cause
I am wasting my and your time,
this won't work for me,

It's an insidious feeling

Please check again:

Describe the sensations when you read the 3 statements about Lisa.

What is felt?

And what about ‘insidious feeling?




And now:

It's because none of them ever pointed to the truth.

Exactly.

Now, how does this feel in your body? What kind of sensations do you feel now?

Can you describe please?


And again, relax, have fun and until then

Trisha

[ElleBee]

Hi Trisha!

That's pretty neat that you're from Germany. Your English is excellent. Wow!

On to the assignment:

Or is it possible that you get trained to see and understand things in a certain way and you believe and normally don’t question?
Yes, definitely training. Pretty much our whole lives are training to look in a certain way (like everybody else).

Yes, you say it nicely, and only when it happens that you can SEE for yourself, experience the truth, you can let that belief go. Exactly. That is why working with DE is so important here.
No choice.
Can you see where I am pointing to?
Yes, only now starting to hear you. That only raw experience is to be trusted, everything else is stories upon stories.

Now you know, these sensations only point to the fact that you were lying.
Can you see this now?
So the action of lying generated the sensations? Something happens (even if it looks like "I" did it), sensations occur?

Describe the sensations when you read the 3 statements about Lisa.

What is felt?

And what about ‘insidious feeling?
This is quite funny when I read it. It's actually various labels that would fall under the overarching label of "Disappointment". And that is not actually occurring real time, it's a label for past experiences and therefore an expectation of experience. Haha! Not real at all.
"Insidious" means it's not really happening but "I" think it is! Can't point to it, it's not real, therefore it is "insidious". This is really hilarious!

And now:
It's because none of them ever pointed to the truth.

Exactly.

Now, how does this feel in your body? What kind of sensations do you feel now?

Can you describe please?
It feels like a release. I think it was in the shoulders, like a weight lifted, like I am done with that and going to let that one go now. Labeled as fed up, just done with the nonsense.

Thanks for this. Seeing that label process "in action" has done something a little different. Blind labeling really does cloud everything, and looking past it does the opposite, generates clarity.
Thoughts are coming and going so fast that typing can't keep up, it's gone before the words are typed. Something was there but it's gone now.

Lisa

[TeeKa112]

Hi Lisa,

That's pretty neat that you're from Germany. Your English is excellent. Wow!

Oh, thank you so much :-))

Pretty much our whole lives are training to look in a certain way (like everybody else).

Yes, exactly. And you are here to Look out of this box :-)

Yes, only now starting to hear you.
That only raw experience is to be trusted, everything else is stories upon stories.

Good.
Yes.

So the action of lying generated the sensations? Something happens (even if it looks like "I" did it), sensations occur?

About sensations of lie and truth:



We often lie every day and don’t realize it.

The grocery clerk asks: How are you doing? You are not doing well, have a head ache, your dog is sick but you don’t feel like sharing all of this and you lie: I am fine.

Also, it doesn’t matter at all how ‘distant’ the remembered lie is. Besides the fact that time itself is fictional, which is a kind of lie, as we recall a lie it becomes present in this moment and this brings the body sensation that accompanies lies.

Lies can be intentional or unintentional, conscious or unconscious, totally automatic that we ourselves are fooled.

You can speak or think the lie, or you can hear another person lie. Ever heard a lying politician?

Now: The story of a separate ’self’ is a lie-

And this is the lie you came here to see through. Therefore it is helpful to notice the body sensations of lying as one of the tools to finding the truth of no self.

Lies = contraction, tension, pressure, heaviness
Truth = expansion, lightness, relaxation,




Now look at what you wrote:

"I" am a lost cause
I am wasting my and your time,
this won't work for me,

Describe the sensations when you read the 3 statements about Lisa.
What is felt?

This is quite funny when I read it. It's actually various labels that would fall under the overarching label of "Disappointment". And that is not actually occurring real time, it's a label for past experiences and therefore an expectation of experience. Haha! Not real at all.
"Insidious" means it's not really happening but "I" think it is! Can't point to it, it's not real, therefore it is "insidious". This is really hilarious!

Lisa, you can do better here:

Can you see that you shared your thoughts and explanations? And that you mistake these for the real experience itself?

But the question is, what are you feeling, what are the sensations in your body when you read the 3 statements you gave about ‘Lisa’?


But what is directly experienced in your body? In simple easy words, adjectives: pleasant or unpleasant, tension or lightness, contraction or expansion, pressure or spacious?


And now:

It's because none of them ever pointed to the truth.

Exactly.

Now, how does this feel in your body? What kind of sensations do you feel now?

Can you describe please?


It feels like a release. I think it was in the shoulders, like a weight lifted, like I am done with that and going to let that one go now. Labeled as fed up, just done with the nonsense.

And again, a lot of: it was like….., I think, explanations

But what is directly experienced in your body? In simple easy words, adjectives: pleasant or unpleasant, tension or lightness, contraction or expansion, pressure or spacious?

Blind labeling really does cloud everything, and looking past it does the opposite, generates clarity.

Yes, exactly. So good that you see this.

Thoughts are coming and going so fast that typing can't keep up, it's gone before the words are typed. Something was there but it's gone now.

Yes, that's ok. Just let them run. We are not interested in the content of all these running thoughts anyway :-)


What we are doing here is finding out what is actually experienced and what is added by thoughts as an interpretation.


And again, relax, take it lightly and have fun, bring your curiosity.

Looking forward to your findings

Trisha

[ElleBee]

Hi Trisha!

It's possible that there's some avoidance occurring. I notice that many times a simple question gets over-interpreted, overblown. Anyway, that's the thought that came in.

On to the feelings then.

Can you see that you shared your thoughts and explanations? And that you mistake these for the real experience itself?
Yes, and I'm suspecting that while it's not conscious, there is some "deliberateness" to it.

But the question is, what are you feeling, what are the sensations in your body when you read the 3 statements you gave about ‘Lisa’?

"I" am a lost cause
I am wasting my and your time,
this won't work for me,

Describe the sensations when you read the 3 statements about Lisa.
What is felt?

It's a tightness/pressure. Maybe the shoulders, chest, and stomach. A "heart sinking" feeling. Unpleasant.

It's because none of them ever pointed to the truth.
Exactly.

Now, how does this feel in your body? What kind of sensations do you feel now?

Can you describe please?




And again, a lot of: it was like….., I think, explanations

But what is directly experienced in your body? In simple easy words, adjectives: pleasant or unpleasant, tension or lightness, contraction or expansion, pressure or spacious?
OK,for the realization why nothing worked, it was a release of tension, a lightening, a pleasant experience. Weight lifted.
That's pretty much it -- the bare bones direct experience.

Thank you!

Lisa

[TeeKa112]

Hi Lisa,

"I" am a lost cause
I am wasting my and your time,
this won't work for me,

Describe the sensations when you read the 3 statements about Lisa.
What is felt?

It's a tightness/pressure. Maybe the shoulders, chest, and stomach. A "heart sinking" feeling. Unpleasant.

Yes, that’s it. This is exactly what I was waiting for. Noticing your direct experiences as sensations in your body and reporting.

And now you know that these very sensations are pointing to lies……….

It's because none of them ever pointed to the truth.

Now, how does this feel in your body? What kind of sensations do you feel now?
Can you describe please?

OK,for the realization why nothing worked, it was a release of tension, a lightening, a pleasant experience. Weight lifted.
That's pretty much it -- the bare bones direct experience.

And again, wonderful! Direct Experiences of the body sensations.

And here, you know that your body sensations are pointing to truth……..


Lisa, both your reports are great, they convey the direct experiences. Yes, this is where we want to be.

It's possible that there's some avoidance occurring. I notice that many times a simple question gets over-interpreted, overblown. Anyway, that's the thought that came in.

Good that you noticed it, yes, avoidance and resistance ……….just happening…...It's just hard for the mind/thoughts to not be the center of attention :-)



There was no other reason for not being able to do this rather, for you too simple exercise :-)

I give it to you again.

If you sense sensations that are unpleasant, ok, let them come and be. That doesn’t mean that doing the exercise can’t be happening :-)



Looking at the constant labelling of daily activities:



This is the exercise that I would like you to try (again) as many times throughout the day as you can.
Once you have learned to do it, you can continue to do it for the time beeing. You can start with saying it first out loud, then it is fine with saying it just 'sotto voce'.


Label daily activities in the most simple way: colour/image, sound, smell, taste, sensation, thought.

So for example, when having breakfast, become aware of:


Seeing a cup, simply= image/colour

Smelling coffee, simply = smell

Feeling the warmth of the coffee cup, simply = sensation

Tasting the coffee, simply = taste

Hearing the spoon stirring the coffee, simply = sound

Thought about drinking the coffee, simply = thought



Just break down daily activities into these categories (which are all only actual/direct experience+most basic labelling) and report back how you go.



Take some time to do it and best if you can do it with different activities during the day. And try to include the sense: body sensations.


Please write in the exact form like you see it here: labelling the activity left and then the Actual direct experience on the right side.



What is noticed?


And this time, have fun and bring your curiosity to this very interesting process :-)


Trisha

[TeeKa112]

Hi Lisa,

On LU there are Zoom meetings for clients on the way....

The next one is tomorrow morning/today, depending on where we are on this earth.

Since it will be held by Vince, a guide in Australia, it will be 5 am his time tomorrow morning.

For you, Eastern Standard Time, it is today at 3 pm

Sorry that I inform you so late....

Here is the access, if you are interested:


Join Zoom Meeting here:

https://us02web.zoom.us/j/86991485768?p ... 12Um5DQT09

Meeting ID: 869 9148 5768
Passcode: 083035

Use this to check your time & date;:

https://dateful.com/time-zone-converter



I 'think' you will enjoy

Trisha

[ElleBee]

Thank you Trisha! I might be able to join. Hope to see you, thanks!

Lisa

[TeeKa112]

Hi Lisa,

For you it’s late evening now…..

There is a posting for you before the one with the meeting information…..

Did you make it to the meeting?

For me it was 9 pm and I had guests…..
Sorry couldn’t make it.


Until later

[ElleBee]

Hi Trisha!

Regarding the exercise:

Please write in the exact form like you see it here: labelling the activity left and then the Actual direct experience on the right side.

What is noticed?

I did this over the past couple of days. I did not write it down, but sat quietly for short periods of time and did this (wasn't able to do it for long periods of time).

It's actually hard to do this because "the mind" gets bored and wants to pay attention to "interesting" thoughts that come in.

Also, there's great variety and specificity in what the senses detect. The labels can get very detailed, and then the detail is stripped away by the categorization into one of the senses. It is much more simple seen from that perspective.

Thanks!

Lisa

[TeeKa112]

Hi Lisa,

(wasn't able to do it for long periods of time).

It's actually hard to do this because "the mind" gets bored and wants to pay attention to "interesting" thoughts that come in.

The labels can get very detailed,

Yes, that is what minds/thoughts prefer to do.

The pull away from Directly Experiencing, back to ‘interesting’, which is just more thoughts, stories and untrue labels can be very strong in the beginning.

the detail is stripped away by the categorization into one of the senses.

It is much more simple seen from that perspective.

Yes, reality, life, that what is, IS simple.

That is what is so challenging for minds/thoughts.

And that is why you are here to get extra empowerment .......



OK, let’s do one step more.

Please Lisa, do the writing down of this pointer. You will get so much more out of it. Better not giving in to the old habits :-)


Mind labelling experience

Here is an exercise which examines the way in which the mind labels experience - it takes about 20 minutes and you will need a pen a paper.

This exercise is broken into 10 minute lots. For each 10 minute period pay attention to any bodily sensation ie is there any tightening, or any relaxing?

For the first ten minutes write down what you are experiencing right now using the word “I”.

For example: I am sitting on a chair, I am hearing a clock ticking, I am feeling hungry. I am walking the dogs. I am looking at my dog. I am smelling dinner. I am feeling cold.

Get right to the point, no past or future fantasy, just a plain description of your experience right here and now.

Then for the next ten minutes continue writing down what you are experiencing but this time without using the word “I”. Just describe the experience as it is happening using verbs.

For example: sitting on a chair, typing, breathing, blinking, hearing the clock. Walking the dogs, smelling the dogs, sensing the water on hands.....


During both activities, watch what is happening in the body!


At the end of the twenty minutes compare the two ways in which the experience was labelled and answer the following four questions:



1. Is one truer than the other, and If so, which one? And why would you say so?

2. What is here without labels?

3. Do labels affect the experience or just describe it?

4. Did you notice any differences in the body?




And again, with fun and relaxation


Trisha

[ElleBee]

Hi Trisha!

I did the exercise and it was fun and interesting.

1. Is one truer than the other, and If so, which one? And why would you say so?
The second exercise was "truer" than the first, in that there wasn't much thought associated with it. The first exercise seemed to require a lot more thought to do, and consequently it was more difficult.
2. What is here without labels?
Actions.
3. Do labels affect the experience or just describe it?
They seem to affect the experience. They seem to interfere with it.
4. Did you notice any differences in the body? With the first one I didn't notice the body as much. I didn't seem to have the attention to spare to pay attention to it. With the second exercise it was very much easier to focus on the body. It was like being a reporter and reporting on just the facts. It went more smoothly, and I did not struggle to come up with content, I just waited for the next thing.

Looking forward to your feedback on that one, as there was a pretty big difference and I did not expect that.

Thanks much!

Lisa

[TeeKa112]

Hi Lisa,

Good noticing !!!

The second exercise was "truer" than the first,

Exactly:


The second exercise is more true, because there is no ‘I’ involved.

You have experienced some days ago how ’truth’ and ‘lies’ can be sensed in our bodies.
So, yes you can sense that the second sentences are truer.

Very good!!

wasn't much thought associated with it.

Exactly, less thought, because the ‘I’ does not exist outside of thought.
It’s constantly made up.

Can you see this?


So, experiencing walking, eating, listening or whatever you did, exactly how it happens, without any ‘I’ involved, is true.

You can sense it.

The first exercise seemed to require a lot more thought to do,

Yes, in the first exercise the illusion of an ‘I’, of an entity that is doing, is involved. But it is only an illusion. There is no entity or ‘I’ doing any of these.

and consequently it was more difficult.

Putting an ‘I’ requires thoughts, extra energy, and is ‘more difficult’.

Exactly.

reporting on just the facts. It went more smoothly, and I did not struggle to come up with content,

Very nice.


Lisa can you SEE how everything is just happening?

Can you find any entity or ’separate self’ that is doing any of your activities?

I just waited for the next thing.

Can you find anything that is doing or managing or orchestrating any of the activities that are happening?


Look at whatever is the next thing during the day, washing hands, talking to dogs, sensing back and bottom on chair, sensing wind on skin, cutting veggies etc….


What is found?




You are doing good.


Have again fun and curiosity.

Trisha

[ElleBee]

Trisha,

Thanks for the feedback on this one. It was surprising how much of a difference taking the "I" out makes. Never would have guessed that.

So...

Exactly, less thought, because the ‘I’ does not exist outside of thought.
It’s constantly made up.

Can you see this?
I see evidence of this being true. There is no other explanation.

Lisa can you SEE how everything is just happening?
Yes, it was apparent when the I was removed. Things just happened, they were noticed, more things happened, they were noticed, and so on.
Can you find any entity or ’separate self’ that is doing any of your activities?
Well this is helpful in dealing with the disbelief in the non-existence of self BECAUSE it became clear how things work WHEN the I was removed. Having never tried that before, there wasn't any experience like this. It is apparent that the separate self just mucks things up and things work so much better (effortlessly!) without it. So yes, I do see that the I doesn't participate in it at all.

Can you find anything that is doing or managing or orchestrating any of the activities that are happening?
No. And I can clearly say no. Hmmm, so that's progress.

Look at whatever is the next thing during the day, washing hands, talking to dogs, sensing back and bottom on chair, sensing wind on skin, cutting veggies etc….


What is found?
It just keeps rolling. No bumps, just continuous happenings rolling happily along.

Thank you so much for these exercises, Trisha! There is definitely something to them. Exciting!

Lisa

[TeeKa112]

Hi Lisa,

Thank you so much for these exercises,
There is definitely something to them.
Exciting!

Very good!

All questions and exercises are pointers to direct experiencing that what is true.

there was a pretty big difference
I did not expect that
Never would have guessed that
the disbelief in the non-existence of self

All these are not Direct Experience.

These are all thoughts, believes, imaginations (expecting, guessing).
It's not that they wouldn't show up, but it's good when it's clear.

Can you see this?




Let’s look more deeply into thought-content and the belief of thoughts being ’true’ or ‘real’:




Label-Reality Correlation

There is a belief that labels have a one-to-one correspondence with ‘reality’.
But there isn’t.
Just like it is a generally accepted belief that labels like ‘good’ and ‘bad’ are inherent characteristics of ‘things’. But actually, they are not.


When you look at the word label ‘GREEN' , what is the actual experience?

Is the color red ‘experienced’,?
Or is the color green ‘experienced’ as the label suggests?

Does the label ‘GREEN’ have a one-to-one correspondence with ‘reality’?
Or does the label suggest something else other than what is here now (red colour)?

Is 'green' associated in any way with the experience of the colour red?
Or is green just a label that overlays the actual experience of red?

If the label ‘GREEN’ is replaced with the label ‘GOOD’ or ‘BAD’ , is the redness affected in any way as the labels suggests?

Does redness become ‘good’ or ‘bad’, or do the labels have no affect whatsoever on ‘reality’?

Let me know what is SEEN.


Lisa, could you please not answer in bulks, but put every blue question in a quote and then answer it?


And again, let surprise happen :-)



Looking forward to your findings

Trisha