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Re: Awakening just removes the idea that "you" are a person.

Postby Nina45 » Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:53 pm

Hi Zulu,

It sounds like there are some difficult thoughts to contend with!
Yes, resistance is happening...thoughts like "this is hopeless", "why to do that?", "it's running in circles", "nothing is going on" are arising.
Sometimes thought can seem like a "barrier"!

"This is hopeless" seems to be a barrier but ..... is it just another thought?
Can someone or something be found who owns this thought?

The best way to deal with these thoughts is to LOOK at them.

Really look at "this is hopeless".

Look at the thought.
Does the thought point to another thought? A story?
Is there actual experience of colour/image or sound?

Really LOOK each time when a seemingly disturbing or resistant thought appears and check:
If you made a particular thought appear
If you wanted that thought to appear in the first place
If you chose that thought to appear
Do you have ANYTHING to do with any thoughts?
...sometimes confusing thoughts arises and gets LOOKING very dificult. Thoughts are seen as truth and not as Ae of thoughts. Stories are seen as truth and not as fiction. Then, annoyance arises and LOOKING is left aside or uncomplete and false answers are given.
This is great to recognise this Zulu.

Thought can seem confusing. But isn't confusing just another thought?
What exactly is confused by thought?

Thoughts seem to be true. Bust isn't "this is true" another thought?
What exactly is it that believes the thought?

Have you noticed that learning anything new seems to cause a "battle" with old "habits" and "beliefs"? Learning to drive, learning to ride a bike, learning new computer software can all be very "annoying". "Resistance" is completely normal.
HOWEVER, can you find anyone/anything that can be "resistant"?
What is the Actual Experience of "resistant"?

In LOOKING through the illusion of the seperate individual, all beliefs are being questioned at once! This can seem both challenging and frightening.
Yes. There is fear, frustation and annoyance. Even knowing that those are just thought labels LOOKING gets harder with them around.
When these are around LOOK at them. Look at the thought and look at any sensations. What is behind the sensation?

LOOK for what it is exactly that can feel 'fear', 'frustration' and 'annoyance'?

What is the AE of 'fear'?
What is the AE of 'frustration'?
What is the AE of 'annoyance'?

LOOKING is the key to seeing through the illusory 'self'

Is it clear that the thought label "I" is pointing to a story about a seperate individual perceiving?

Really LOOK Zulu. Then answer this question
Yes, it's clear.
It is clear that "I" is pointing to a story?

Is there any resistance to this discovery?

Is it possible to find anywhere a seperate individual "doing" and "acting"?

Really LOOK. Then answer the question.
It SEEMS so, but ACTUALLY there is nobody doing anything at all. Thoughts arise pointing to stories that there is someone doing something. And those stories can be very convincent...in AE nobody can be seen. Things just happens.
It is clear that there is nobody doing anything at all?

Is there any resistance to this discovery?

Stories are very very convincing. Try to LOOK past the stories. Try saying "blah blah blah" over the "noise" of the thought story and LOOK.
The associations of thoughts looks like stories...actually they are stories.

The actual experience of a "painful thought" is sensation + thought label that points to a story about pain.

Example:

Edward cried rivers of tears after his friend, Charles, died in a car crash accident.
The AE is: AE of Sensation + AE of thought label "rivers of tears"
"Charles died in a car crash accident" is a story pointed by the thought label.
Thought labels like "emotions"and "feelings" (sadness, upset, tears) point to stories about pain.

This seems clear.
Are there any questions about this?

Thanks Zulu.

Good luck with looking at resistance.

Best wishes

Nina

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Re: Awakening just removes the idea that "you" are a person.

Postby alexandrezulu » Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:32 am

Hi, Nina

Things are getting clearer. Looking to actual experiences is opening the Gateless Gate. Thoughts are getting "lighter" and are seen for what they really are ... thoughts. Sensations arise and are not interpreted. All that comes up is only seen for what it is (sensations, colours, tastes, smells). What was seen as a barrier is now seen as a thought that points to a story. And the stories are seen as illusions.
Sometimes thought can seem like a "barrier"!

Yes, it does.
"This is hopeless" seems to be a barrier but ..... is it just another thought?

Yes, in AE it is just a thought label that points to a story about hopelessness.
Can someone or something be found who owns this thought?

Nobody nor something can be found that owns it. It just arises.
The best way to deal with these thoughts is to LOOK at them.

Really look at "this is hopeless".
Look at the thought.
Does the thought point to another thought? A story?

It points to a story about loss, insecurity, fear...it points to an illusion.
Is there actual experience of colour/image or sound?

No, the AE is of sensation.
Really LOOK each time when a seemingly disturbing or resistant thought appears and check:
If you made a particular thought appear
If you wanted that thought to appear in the first place
If you chose that thought to appear
Do you have ANYTHING to do with any thoughts?

Actually when these thoughts appear there is nobody there...all that is seen are thoughts and the stories that they point to. There is no "me" to want them...no one to choose them. And when they are seen as what they really are they loose the strength and no longer affect the LOOKING. What is left is the AE of sensation and thought label (this is hopeless).

Thought can seem confusing. But isn't confusing just another thought?

Yes, it is.
What exactly is confused by thought?

There is a certain identification with some thoughts and the stories that they point to and it seems to get the LOOK confused. But "identification" is another thought, so there is no problem at all. Even the confusion is not a problem...that's just what is happening. The confusion is seen as a thought that points to a story about identification, barriers, difficulties...
Thoughts seem to be true. Bust isn't "this is true" another thought?

Exactly, it's another thought pointing to a story about truth (but actually there is no truth).
What exactly is it that believes the thought?

Another thought. The "I" thought and the story that it points to.
Have you noticed that learning anything new seems to cause a "battle" with old "habits" and "beliefs"? Learning to drive, learning to ride a bike, learning new computer software can all be very "annoying". "Resistance" is completely normal.

Yes, it's noticed. Mainly when the old habits and beliefs are very strong.
HOWEVER, can you find anyone/anything that can be "resistant"?
What is the Actual Experience of "resistant"?

No one is resistant. The AE of resistant is a sensation. That's all.
In LOOKING through the illusion of the seperate individual, all beliefs are being questioned at once! This can seem both challenging and frightening.

Yes, it's a challenge, but it is all in the story.
Yes. There is fear, frustation and annoyance. Even knowing that those are just thought labels LOOKING gets harder with them around.

When these are around LOOK at them. Look at the thought and look at any sensations. What is behind the sensation?

Behind the sensations and thoughts there are stories about 'fear', 'frustration' and 'annoyance'.
LOOK for what it is exactly that can feel 'fear', 'frustration' and 'annoyance'?

It's a character in the story...and a character is not real...it's an illusion.
What is the AE of 'fear'?
What is the AE of 'frustration'?
What is the AE of 'annoyance'?

They are just sensations + thought label
LOOKING is the key to seeing through the illusory 'self'

It is clear that "I" is pointing to a story?

It's very clear.
Is there any resistance to this discovery?

No, In fact it is a great relief.
Is it possible to find anywhere a seperate individual "doing" and "acting"?

LOOKING directly to the actual experience there is nobody doing anything...things are happening...thoughts, sensations, smells, colours, tastes are arising to no one.
Really LOOK. Then answer the question.
It is clear that there is nobody doing anything at all?

Yes, that's clear.
Is there any resistance to this discovery?

No resistance.
Stories are very very convincing. Try to LOOK past the stories. Try saying "blah blah blah" over the "noise" of the thought story and LOOK.


When it's done the story vanishes and all that remains is the "blah, blah, blah".

Are there any questions about this?

No questions, Nina



Thanks for everything Nina

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Re: Awakening just removes the idea that "you" are a person.

Postby Nina45 » Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:47 am

Hi Zulu,

Things seem clearer Zulu! That is great. Just a few more questions ..........
Things are getting clearer. Looking to actual experiences is opening the Gateless Gate. Thoughts are getting "lighter" and are seen for what they really are ... thoughts. Sensations arise and are not interpreted. All that comes up is only seen for what it is (sensations, colours, tastes, smells). What was seen as a barrier is now seen as a thought that points to a story. And the stories are seen as illusions.
This sounds "positive" ;)
Thoughts are seen as thoughts, colour is seen as colour. Stories are seen as illusions.

But .....What is doing the seeing?
Really take time to LOOK at this question and take time to answer it.

"This is hopeless" seems to be a barrier but ..... is it just another thought?
Yes, in AE it is just a thought label that points to a story about hopelessness

It points to a story about loss, insecurity, fear...it points to an illusion.

And can loss, insecurity and fear be found anywhere in actual experience?
Is there actual experience of colour/image or sound?
No, the AE is of sensation.

Yes. These stories seem convincing when they SEEM to be attached to a sensation.
Seeing thoughts only as thoughts and sensation only as sensation allows thought and sensation to pass.
Can someone or something be found who owns this thought?
Nobody nor something can be found that owns it. It just arises.

Great find! Nothing to find!
Really LOOK each time when a seemingly disturbing or resistant thought appears and check:
If you made a particular thought appear
If you wanted that thought to appear in the first place
If you chose that thought to appear
Do you have ANYTHING to do with any thoughts?
Actually when these thoughts appear there is nobody there...all that is seen are thoughts and the stories that they point to. There is no "me" to want them...no one to choose them. And when they are seen as what they really are they loose the strength and no longer affect the LOOKING. What is left is the AE of sensation and thought label (this is hopeless).
YES! AE of sensation + thought label "this is hopeless".

What is it that "sees" thought and sensation "as what they really are"?
What exactly is confused by thought?
There is a certain identification with some thoughts and the stories that they point to and it seems to get the LOOK confused. But "identification" is another thought, so there is no problem at all. Even the confusion is not a problem...that's just what is happening. The confusion is seen as a thought that points to a story about identification, barriers, difficulties...
Great :)

WHAT is SEEING confusion as a thought?

What exactly is it that believes the thought?

Another thought. The "I" thought and the story that it points to.
"Truth" and "belief" are indeed thoughts.

Is it possible for a thought (the "I" thought) to believe anything?

What is this "I" thought? Is it a special thought?
Have a good LOOK for the "I" thought.
LOOK at what is there.

...... can you find anyone/anything that can be "resistant"?
What is the Actual Experience of "resistant"?
No one is resistant. The AE of resistant is a sensation. That's all.

Yes. AE sensation and AE of thought label.
LOOK for what it is exactly that can feel 'fear', 'frustration' and 'annoyance'?

It's a character in the story...and a character is not real...it's an illusion.

Yes. Great! :)
What is the AE of 'fear'?
What is the AE of 'frustration'?
What is the AE of 'annoyance'?

They are just sensations + thought label

Great clarity.
It is clear that "I" is pointing to a story?
It's very clear.
Is there any resistance to this discovery?

No, In fact it is a great relief.

It is a relief!

Is it possible to find anywhere a seperate individual "doing" and "acting"?
LOOKING directly to the actual experience there is nobody doing anything...things are happening...thoughts, sensations, smells, colours, tastes are arising to no one.

Beautiful!

Great looking Zulu. Just keep LOOKING!

Very best wishes

Nina

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Re: Awakening just removes the idea that "you" are a person.

Postby Nina45 » Fri Mar 11, 2016 7:30 am

Hi Zulu -

Is everything ok? Looking forward to hearing from you.

Nina

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Re: Awakening just removes the idea that "you" are a person.

Postby alexandrezulu » Fri Mar 11, 2016 1:59 pm

Hi Nina

Everything is fine, thanks !!

LOOKING is getting clearer. A new "world" is unfolding in a way that was unthinkable...to live each moment sorely and without expectations...just LOOKING to what is happening is great !! There are still "ups" and "downs" but that is fine too. Moments of clarity and blindness...fine.

Crucial questions ahead. ;)
But .....What is doing the seeing?
Really take time to LOOK at this question and take time to answer it.
It's impossible to see what is doing the seeing, Nina. There is no mirror. Seing is happening but there is no thing there doing it. The see-er, the seeing and what is seeing are one and the same thing. Actually there is no need to know what is it. IT IS WHAT IT IS. Life is happening and there is no one in command.
What is it that "sees" thought and sensation "as what they really are"?
Seeing things as what they are is happening but there is no thing there doing this... It's like pointing a finger to my own nose but I can't see to what I am pointing to.
WHAT is SEEING confusion as a thought?
The answer is the same...nothing is doing it...there is no do-er.
"Truth" and "belief" are indeed thoughts.

Is it possible for a thought (the "I" thought) to believe anything?
No, it's impossible.
What is this "I" thought? Is it a special thought?
It is just another thought...nothing special. It's a thought label pointing to a story.

That's it, Nina

Any advice?

Thanks

Zulu

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Re: Awakening just removes the idea that "you" are a person.

Postby Nina45 » Sat Mar 12, 2016 8:10 am

Hi again Zulu!

Thanks for your latest post. Really great looking!
It's impossible to see what is doing the seeing, Nina. There is no mirror. Seing is happening but there is no thing there doing it. The see-er, the seeing and what is seeing are one and the same thing. Actually there is no need to know what is it. IT IS WHAT IT IS. Life is happening and there is no one in command.
Fantastic clarity!
What is this "I" thought? Is it a special thought?
It is just another thought...nothing special. It's a thought label pointing to a story.
Yes. "The story of Zulu".
Any advice?
Keep LOOKING at Actual Experience and keeping asking "what is looking'?


Try LOOKING at this:

Here is an interesting exercise on the body.
Sit with eyes closed for about 15 minutes.
Pay attention only to the pure sensations, without relying on thoughts or mental images:

Can it be known how tall the body is?
Does the body have a weight or volume?

In the actual experience does the body have a shape or a form?
Is there a boundary between the body and the clothing?
Is there a boundary between the body and the chair?

Is there an inside or an outside? If there is an inside - inside of what exactly?
If there is an outside, the outside of what exactly?

What does the word/label ‘body’ ACTUALLY refer to?
What is the ACTUAL experience of the body?

Look very carefully, especially with the last question. Take your time, don’t rush. You can look several times during the day while doing other things (like washing hands, showering, having a short break from work, walking, etc.) before replying.

Have some fun with it!

Very best wishes

Nina

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Postby alexandrezulu » Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:44 am

Hi Nina
Keep LOOKING at Actual Experience and keeping asking "what is looking'?
LOOKING is going on and at each time it gets stronger. NOBODY AND NOTHING is LOOKING. ;)
Try LOOKING at this:

Here is an interesting exercise on the body.
Sit with eyes closed for about 15 minutes.
Pay attention only to the pure sensations, without relying on thoughts or mental images:
Can it be known how tall the body is?
It's impossible. It's boundless.
Does the body have a weight or volume?
No, it doesn't.
In the actual experience does the body have a shape or a form?
There are just colours and sensations.
Is there a boundary between the body and the clothing?
No bounderies at all. Just sensations and colours.
Is there a boundary between the body and the chair?
No. There is just a sensation but the so-called chair and the so-called body are one and the same...colours.
Is there an inside or an outside? If there is an inside - inside of what exactly?
If there is an outside, the outside of what exactly?
Walking around with "my dog" and looking straight ahead there was no "body"...Looking was happening, walking was happening but there was nobody there. When the body's reflection was seen on the ground it was seen just as colours. Looking straight ahead there was no head, no eyes, no body at all. Looking was happening freely,without bounderies.
What does the word/label ‘body’ ACTUALLY refer to?
It refers to a story about a separate individual that was born, grown up and that is destined to die.
What is the ACTUAL experience of the body?
Just colours, sounds and sensations like everything that appears.

Thank you so much, Nina
Zulu

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Postby Nina45 » Mon Mar 14, 2016 11:48 am

Hi again Zulu!

Really great looking! It seems clear that "body" is a label that points to something that can't be found!
Is there a boundary between the body and the chair?
No. There is just a sensation but the so-called chair and the so-called body are one and the same...colours.

Great clarity!
Walking around with "my dog" and looking straight ahead there was no "body"...Looking was happening, walking was happening but there was nobody there. When the body's reflection was seen on the ground it was seen just as colours. Looking straight ahead there was no head, no eyes, no body at all. Looking was happening freely,without bounderies.
Sounds nice and wonderful noticing of colour!

What is the AE of walking?

Try this and see what you find.

Start to walk slowly.
Is there a ‘body walking’, or are there only sensations?

Is there actual experience of ‘walking’ at all?
Or just THOUGHTS ABOUT ‘walking’?
Can such a thing as a ‘body’ be found OR just THOUGHTS ABOUT a ‘body'?
Can such a thing as ‘walking’ be found?


Close your eyes and look very very carefully at the "head", notice what is really there. Then do the same with the "eyes" and notice what is really there? What is the actual experience of "head' and 'eyes'?
What does the word/label ‘body’ ACTUALLY refer to?
It refers to a story about a separate individual that was born, grown up and that is destined to die.
The word/label 'body' is the actual experience of thought!
What is the ACTUAL experience of the body?

Just colours, sounds and sensations like everything that appears.

What exactly is experiencing sensation?

Colour is a the Actual Experience of colour.
Sound is the AE of sound.
Sensation is the AE of sensation.
Taste is the AE of taste.
Thought is the AE of thought.

So how is it possible that colour, sound and sensation are the Actual Experience of "the body?"

What ACTUALLY is the AE of the body?

Very best wishes

Nina

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Postby alexandrezulu » Tue Mar 15, 2016 5:28 pm

Hi Nina
Really great looking! It seems clear that "body" is a label that points to something that can't be found!
Very clear !!
What is the AE of walking?
There are just sensations without bounderies.
Try this and see what you find.

Start to walk slowly.
Is there a ‘body walking’, or are there only sensations?
Actually there are just sensations...no body can be found at all.
Is there actual experience of ‘walking’ at all?
Or just THOUGHTS ABOUT ‘walking’?
There is AE of sensations and AE of thought label "walking" that points to a story about walking. That's very clear.
Can such a thing as a ‘body’ be found OR just THOUGHTS ABOUT a ‘body'?
Just thoughts about a body. Without those thoughts what remain are just sensations. It's impossible to find a body.

Can such a thing as ‘walking’ be found?
No, in AE is impossible to find such a thing as "walking". Really. 'Walking" is the AE of a thought label. That's all.
Close your eyes and look very very carefully at the "head", notice what is really there. Then do the same with the "eyes" and notice what is really there? What is the actual experience of "head' and 'eyes'?
"Head" and "eyes" are AE of thought labels. Even with the eyes opened there is nothing there but sensations when looking straight ahead.
What exactly is experiencing sensation?
Nothing is "doing" that. Sensations just happen to no one.
Colour is the Actual Experience of colour.
Sound is the AE of sound.
Sensation is the AE of sensation.
Taste is the AE of taste.
Thought is the AE of thought.
So how is it possible that colour, sound and sensation are the Actual Experience of "the body?"
That's right.
What ACTUALLY is the AE of the body?
Actually "body" is the AE of a thought label.

Thanks Nina

Zulu

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Re: Awakening just removes the idea that "you" are a person.

Postby Nina45 » Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:42 am

Hi Zulu,

Fantastic clarity!
What ACTUALLY is the AE of the body?
Actually "body" is the AE of a thought label.
Great :)
Is there actual experience of ‘walking’ at all?
Or just THOUGHTS ABOUT ‘walking’?
There is AE of sensations and AE of thought label "walking" that points to a story about walking. That's very clear.
Lovely! There is no separate individual deciding to start an activity called walking. There are just stories about a separate individual and a body that walks!

Thank you for your careful looking Zulu.



Here is something interesting to look at:

There is a general assumption that there is a linear time that started (if started at all) somewhere very far in the past and advances to the distant future. The present moment (now) is considered to be a very small fragment of time or an event that is moving forward on this linear time, coming from the past and advancing to the future.

But is there an experience that the now is moving along the line of time?

How fast the present moment is actually moving?

How long does the now last?

Where does it start and where does it end?

When does the now exactly become the 'past'?

What is the past in the actual experience?

Please look for the answers many-many times (!!!) before replying.

Gook luck with time Zulu,

Best wishes

Nina

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Postby alexandrezulu » Wed Mar 16, 2016 8:07 pm

Hi Nina

Great "time" looking at "time" !!
Here is something interesting to look at:

There is a general assumption that there is a linear time that started (if started at all) somewhere very far in the past and advances to the distant future. The present moment (now) is considered to be a very small fragment of time or an event that is moving forward on this linear time, coming from the past and advancing to the future.

But is there an experience that the now is moving along the line of time?
Actually, there is no evidence in AE that supports this statement. There is no line from the AE that connects the so called “past” to the so called “present” or “future”. There is not even a “now” in AE. “Time” and “space” are thought labels that point to a story about past and future and a line connecting both. In AE there is just THIS, and then THIS and THIS, like explosions of colours, sensations, tastes, smells…EVERYTHING happens here. There is no other “place” or “time” but here and now, so to speak. Nothing really happened at any time at all.
How fast the present moment is actually moving?
It’s not moving. For that to happen there must be time and space.
How long does the now last?
There is no “now”, in fact. When I say “now” it was gone already.
Where does it start and where does it end?
There is no start and no end at all. It’s an eternal “THIS”. EVERYTHING IS HERE, in THIS. That’s a great relief, because all suffering is caused due to the stories that we believe are true (stories about suffering, sadness, anger, despair). And the stories are created in time and space. LOOKING directly to the AE shows that there is no “self”, no “we” to believe in anything and so those stories are all fantasies, illusions, fairy tales.
When does the now exactly become the 'past'?
Never, because there is no now to become the past.
What is the past in the actual experience?
The past is the actual experience of a thought label that points to stories about the past.

Thank you so much, Nina
Things are getting clearer.
Zulu

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Postby Nina45 » Thu Mar 17, 2016 9:59 am

Hi Zulu,

Really fantastic looking at time!
“Time” and “space” are thought labels that point to a story about past and future and a line connecting both. In AE there is just THIS, and then THIS and THIS, like explosions of colours, sensations, tastes, smells…EVERYTHING happens here. There is no other “place” or “time” but here and now, so to speak. Nothing really happened at any time at all.
Sounds like things are really clear!
How long does the now last?
There is no “now”, in fact. When I say “now” it was gone already.
Great looking. "Now" is a thought label pointing to something that can't be grasped.
Where does it start and where does it end?
There is no start and no end at all. It’s an eternal “THIS”. EVERYTHING IS HERE, in THIS. That’s a great relief, because all suffering is caused due to the stories that we believe are true (stories about suffering, sadness, anger, despair). And the stories are created in time and space. LOOKING directly to the AE shows that there is no “self”, no “we” to believe in anything and so those stories are all fantasies, illusions, fairy tales.
This is really great to read Zulu! Clear and beautiful.
What is the past in the actual experience?
The past is the actual experience of a thought label that points to stories about the past.
Exactly! :)


This is an invitation to look a little more deeply at thoughts about time:

Almost everybody believes that a memory thought is referring to something that has happened.
That a memory thought is a different thought than a non-memory thought.

What is memory exactly? (from Actual Experience)

What is the memory ‘made of’?
WHEN does the memory appear?

What is the exact difference between a ‘general’ thought and a ‘memory’ thought?

How is it known EXACTLY that a ‘memory’ thought refers to something that has happened?

Then, look at a thought about the future.
What is the future thought ‘made of’?

WHEN does the future thought appear?

What is the exact difference between a ‘general’ thought and a ‘future’ thought?
How is it known EXACTLY that a ‘future’ thought refers to something that will happen?

Then let’s compare a thought about past and a thought about the future.
What is the EXACT difference between the thoughts about past and future?
If there is difference, how that difference is known exactly?

Please spend lot of time (!!!!) with EACH question… Look very carefully… Look at what actually going on and not what thoughts say… but what actually is.


Hopefully this will be interesting and make things even clearer Zulu :)

Have fun!

Very best wishes

Nina

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Re: Awakening just removes the idea that "you" are a person.

Postby alexandrezulu » Mon Mar 21, 2016 6:48 pm

Hi NIna
Glad to read you again
;)
This is an invitation to look a little more deeply at thoughts about time:

Almost everybody believes that a memory thought is referring to something that has happened.
That a memory thought is a different thought than a non-memory thought.
What is memory exactly? (from Actual Experience)
Memory is the AE of a thought label that points to a story.
What is the memory ‘made of’?
Memory is a thought label made of stories, fantasies, tales...
WHEN does the memory appear?
It appears NOW...EVERYTHING appears NOW.
What is the exact difference between a ‘general’ thought and a ‘memory’ thought?
There is no difference at all.
How is it known EXACTLY that a ‘memory’ thought refers to something that has happened?
There is no way to know that in AE. In AE there is just a thought label (memory) pointing to a story. Nothing really happened...
Then, look at a thought about the future.
What is the future thought ‘made of’?
The future thought is made of stories.
WHEN does the future thought appear?
It apppears NOW, like everything else.
What is the exact difference between a ‘general’ thought and a ‘future’ thought?
There is no difference at all.

How is it known EXACTLY that a ‘future’ thought refers to something that will happen?
It's impossible to know that, because there is no future...they are just stories, not real.
Then let’s compare a thought about past and a thought about the future.
What is the EXACT difference between the thoughts about past and future?
If there is difference, how that difference is known exactly?
There is no difference between them.
There are AE of thought labels ("memory" of the so called past or "imagination" of the so called future) that points to stories...and neither are real.
Please spend lot of time (!!!!) with EACH question… Look very carefully… Look at what actually going on and not what thoughts say… but what actually is.
Thank, Nina

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Re: Awakening just removes the idea that "you" are a person.

Postby Nina45 » Tue Mar 22, 2016 10:24 am

Hi Zulu,

Thank you for being so diligent in LOOKing and answering questions :)
Just a few more before the final confirmation questions.

Has it been clearly seen that there has never been a separate individual that could control or own life or anything?

Is there any chooser or decider of any kind?

Is there a separate individual/entity of any kind whatsoever that could be responsible for anything at all?

Is there a separate entity that started this investigation?

Has there ever been a separate self doing anything?

Is there any doubt at all? Is it 100% clear that the separate individual has beeen "seen through"?

Is there any confusion at all or anything you would like to address?

Thanks Zulu!

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Re: Awakening just removes the idea that "you" are a person.

Postby alexandrezulu » Tue Mar 22, 2016 5:37 pm

Hi Nina :)
Thanks for your fantastic guidance.
Has it been clearly seen that there has never been a separate individual that could control or own life or anything?
Yes, that's very clear. Every time it is getting more and more clear.
Is there any chooser or decider of any kind?
No, there is none.
Is there a separate individual/entity of any kind whatsoever that could be responsible for anything at all?
No, anybody could be responsible because there is nobody there. Everything just happens.
Is there a separate entity that started this investigation?
No, it just happened.
Has there ever been a separate self doing anything?
No, there is no separate self. That's incredible !!
Is there any doubt at all? Is it 100% clear that the separate individual has beeen "seen through"?
No doubt at all, Nina. That's 100% clear.
Is there any confusion at all or anything you would like to address?
Nothing at all. Everything is very clear.

Thanks Nina! a lot
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