"no one here
not doing anything."
Cool!
What does it feel like to see through the illusion of separation?
Give examples in your daily life.
Love
Nettie
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Nettie
its just starting
happy to have thought running on its own
constantly reminding to look at the body as its own running on its own
when i rest with eyes closed now thought is seen as completely independant
and the i is only at the thought of it and the seeing of it is clearer
though its still convincing when i go about the day.
firmly on first base i could say.
i was awaked this morning by a panic in the mind about money ,and what i need to do quickly.
the body did it usual sensations in responce to those type of thoughts
but it was seen as that and not this.
its an adventure
love damon
guide needed
Re: guide needed
Dear Damon,
"its just starting
happy to have thought running on its own
constantly reminding to look at the body as its own running on its own
when i rest with eyes closed now thought is seen as completely independant
and the i is only at the thought of it and the seeing of it is clearer
though its still convincing when i go about the day.
firmly on first base i could say."
Notice that recognizing this and not seeing this both happen utterly spontaneously like all perception.
....and there is no you who can step outside of this seamless timeless flowing and change it or re-arrange it in any way. And it looks like whatever it looks like. And it may look like seeking...and may look like feeling you've got it or feeling like you don't have it.....
It always looks like whatever it looks like and never ever anything other than what it looks like in every unfindable inseparable moment.
And the desire for something other is what defines you.
There is no other. Ever.
"i was awaked this morning by a panic in the mind about money ,and what i need to do quickly.
the body did it usual sensations in responce to those type of thoughts
but it was seen as that and not this.
its an adventure"
So do you feel you have seen through the illusion of separation?
Are you ready for the final questions?
Love,
Nettie
"its just starting
happy to have thought running on its own
constantly reminding to look at the body as its own running on its own
when i rest with eyes closed now thought is seen as completely independant
and the i is only at the thought of it and the seeing of it is clearer
though its still convincing when i go about the day.
firmly on first base i could say."
Notice that recognizing this and not seeing this both happen utterly spontaneously like all perception.
....and there is no you who can step outside of this seamless timeless flowing and change it or re-arrange it in any way. And it looks like whatever it looks like. And it may look like seeking...and may look like feeling you've got it or feeling like you don't have it.....
It always looks like whatever it looks like and never ever anything other than what it looks like in every unfindable inseparable moment.
And the desire for something other is what defines you.
There is no other. Ever.
"i was awaked this morning by a panic in the mind about money ,and what i need to do quickly.
the body did it usual sensations in responce to those type of thoughts
but it was seen as that and not this.
its an adventure"
So do you feel you have seen through the illusion of separation?
Are you ready for the final questions?
Love,
Nettie
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damon123jones
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Re: guide needed
And the desire for something other is what defines you.
There is no other. Ever.
So do you feel you have seen through the illusion of separation?
Are you ready for the final questions?
there is a sinking in ,of understanding happening.
also feels like being held underwater,up for a moment of the littlest suck of air
then under again.
engaged in and believing thought as iam.
then a lighter seeing of iam not any thing solid,
not a body not any of the happenings.
directionless pretty quiet.
and the attention shifted slightly more to
whats alive itself, the noticing itself
which seems very clean pure and like crystal
There is no other. Ever.
So do you feel you have seen through the illusion of separation?
Are you ready for the final questions?
there is a sinking in ,of understanding happening.
also feels like being held underwater,up for a moment of the littlest suck of air
then under again.
engaged in and believing thought as iam.
then a lighter seeing of iam not any thing solid,
not a body not any of the happenings.
directionless pretty quiet.
and the attention shifted slightly more to
whats alive itself, the noticing itself
which seems very clean pure and like crystal
Re: guide needed
Dear Damon,
"there is a sinking in ,of understanding happening.
also feels like being held underwater,up for a moment of the littlest suck of air
then under again.
engaged in and believing thought as iam.
then a lighter seeing of iam not any thing solid,
not a body not any of the happenings.
directionless pretty quiet.
and the attention shifted slightly more to
whats alive itself, the noticing itself
which seems very clean pure and like crystal"
Yes....there is a streaming of what feels like going in and out of understanding.
Both happen utterly spontaneously
Without you doing a thing.
Yes?
It always looks like whatever it looks like.
Yes?
And there is no you to choose what appears.
Yes?
There is no special way to be to act to think to place your attention
It all happens as it does.
Yes?
Was there ever a separate self?
Love,
Nettie
"there is a sinking in ,of understanding happening.
also feels like being held underwater,up for a moment of the littlest suck of air
then under again.
engaged in and believing thought as iam.
then a lighter seeing of iam not any thing solid,
not a body not any of the happenings.
directionless pretty quiet.
and the attention shifted slightly more to
whats alive itself, the noticing itself
which seems very clean pure and like crystal"
Yes....there is a streaming of what feels like going in and out of understanding.
Both happen utterly spontaneously
Without you doing a thing.
Yes?
It always looks like whatever it looks like.
Yes?
And there is no you to choose what appears.
Yes?
There is no special way to be to act to think to place your attention
It all happens as it does.
Yes?
Was there ever a separate self?
Love,
Nettie
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damon123jones
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Re: guide needed
(Notice that recognizing this and not seeing this both happen utterly spontaneously like all perception.)
hahahh this makes me laugh, because there has been a taking of credit for things. its so slippery.
this pretend me.
(was there ever a seperate self.? )
no self- just thought thinking makes up a self.
and believing its real
this is like a spell, my god.
ive read, rather reading of you letters has been on going
and at first it was unclear . . .over and over round and round.
though its a snap of clearity just one sentance.
this feels like a spell really.
thankyou nettie.
a body called damon
hahahh this makes me laugh, because there has been a taking of credit for things. its so slippery.
this pretend me.
(was there ever a seperate self.? )
no self- just thought thinking makes up a self.
and believing its real
this is like a spell, my god.
ive read, rather reading of you letters has been on going
and at first it was unclear . . .over and over round and round.
though its a snap of clearity just one sentance.
this feels like a spell really.
thankyou nettie.
a body called damon
Re: guide needed
Dear Damon,
(Notice that recognizing this and not seeing this both happen utterly spontaneously like all perception.)
hahahh this makes me laugh, because there has been a taking of credit for things. its so slippery.
this pretend me."
Yes. Merely a mental fabrication.
"(was there ever a seperate self.? )
no self- just thought thinking makes up a self.
and believing its real
this is like a spell, my god.
ive read, rather reading of you letters has been on going
and at first it was unclear . . .over and over round and round.
though its a snap of clearity just one sentance.
this feels like a spell really.
thankyou nettie.
a body called damon"
What does it feel like to see through the illusion of a separate self?
Give examples in your daily life
Love,
Nettie
(Notice that recognizing this and not seeing this both happen utterly spontaneously like all perception.)
hahahh this makes me laugh, because there has been a taking of credit for things. its so slippery.
this pretend me."
Yes. Merely a mental fabrication.
"(was there ever a seperate self.? )
no self- just thought thinking makes up a self.
and believing its real
this is like a spell, my god.
ive read, rather reading of you letters has been on going
and at first it was unclear . . .over and over round and round.
though its a snap of clearity just one sentance.
this feels like a spell really.
thankyou nettie.
a body called damon"
What does it feel like to see through the illusion of a separate self?
Give examples in your daily life
Love,
Nettie
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damon123jones
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Re: guide needed
the activity of thinking going on itself, the attention latched to it.
then the action is owned making a "self" feeling.
its very slippery.. . often caught in it.
there is an ownership still happening though there is no thing of a self.
seeing past it hasnt occured yet other than the noticing that its going on.
then the action is owned making a "self" feeling.
its very slippery.. . often caught in it.
there is an ownership still happening though there is no thing of a self.
seeing past it hasnt occured yet other than the noticing that its going on.
Re: guide needed
This is it.
This is all there is.
Whatever it looks like.
Whatever it feels like.
Memories....thoughts of tomorrow, feelings, sensations whatever it looks like is it.
It is a seamless timeless streaming...an indivisible flowing...
....a symphony of what we call perception....
It is unstoppable.
It cannot be captured.
Just try to capture a single moment and put it somewhere else... where would it go?
There is no separate moment and no location. There is no other.
There is nothing other than this.
And feeling like there is something other....searching for something other may be what it looks like.
And feeling like there is something other ..looking for something other is what creates the most painful feeling of separation.....
And knowing that desire is the cause of suffering will not stop it.
And there is no separate you who can step outside of this unitary flowing and change it or re-arrange it in any way.
And feeling like there is a you might be what it looks like. And feeling like there is no you might be what it feels like.
This flowing we call life happens utterly spontaneously without you doing a thing.
It may feel like effort and that is what's appearing...
Or it may feel effortless and that's what's appearing.
Both are happening utterly effortlessly.
And it is amazing beyond words that anything is happening at all.
This is all there is.
Whatever it looks like.
Whatever it feels like.
Memories....thoughts of tomorrow, feelings, sensations whatever it looks like is it.
It is a seamless timeless streaming...an indivisible flowing...
....a symphony of what we call perception....
It is unstoppable.
It cannot be captured.
Just try to capture a single moment and put it somewhere else... where would it go?
There is no separate moment and no location. There is no other.
There is nothing other than this.
And feeling like there is something other....searching for something other may be what it looks like.
And feeling like there is something other ..looking for something other is what creates the most painful feeling of separation.....
And knowing that desire is the cause of suffering will not stop it.
And there is no separate you who can step outside of this unitary flowing and change it or re-arrange it in any way.
And feeling like there is a you might be what it looks like. And feeling like there is no you might be what it feels like.
This flowing we call life happens utterly spontaneously without you doing a thing.
It may feel like effort and that is what's appearing...
Or it may feel effortless and that's what's appearing.
Both are happening utterly effortlessly.
And it is amazing beyond words that anything is happening at all.
Re: guide needed
Dear Damon,
Part two...
"the activity of thinking going on itself, the attention latched to it.
then the action is owned making a "self" feeling.
its very slippery.. . often caught in it.
there is an ownership still happening though there is no thing of a self.
seeing past it hasnt occured yet other than the noticing that its going on."
That is all that happens.
We don't escape self we merely recognize its transpaacy. It is known that it is story....a beautiful story....
It's like blowing as the wind and the wind blowing through you at the same time.
So talk about some activity in your daily life where this shift has made a difference.
Love,
Nettie
Part two...
"the activity of thinking going on itself, the attention latched to it.
then the action is owned making a "self" feeling.
its very slippery.. . often caught in it.
there is an ownership still happening though there is no thing of a self.
seeing past it hasnt occured yet other than the noticing that its going on."
That is all that happens.
We don't escape self we merely recognize its transpaacy. It is known that it is story....a beautiful story....
It's like blowing as the wind and the wind blowing through you at the same time.
So talk about some activity in your daily life where this shift has made a difference.
Love,
Nettie
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damon123jones
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Re: guide needed
still chewing these ideas nettie.
that there is no other.
i cant say there is confusion but
some back and forth going on as usual then a looking without a commentary
other than trying seeing the way you described .
and the mental agenda thats usually driving
has sat down.
that there is no other.
i cant say there is confusion but
some back and forth going on as usual then a looking without a commentary
other than trying seeing the way you described .
and the mental agenda thats usually driving
has sat down.
Re: guide needed
The idea of a future....when none exists....is a dream.....self-improvement ....a goal....of a tomorrow which will never come..
The story of self needs a future....and it is the very looking for something else that strengthens the sense of separation.
If it were truly realized that this is all there is.....ever....than all problems cease....and there is profound relaxation......
The searching for anything else when there is nothing else...ever....looking for an idea....something youve heard about....
Peace.....happiness......are ideas only
they dont exist.....thats why it is so frustrating and is so painful....
Yet knowing this intellectually will not stop the searching for that pie in the sky.....
...as there is no separate you who can step outside of the seamless timless flowing and change it or re-arrange it ...or stop it....or caputure it.....in any way.....
Life....looks and feels like anything at all....
All ideas of enlightenment or anything else are false.
There is no one at the wheel
there is no wheel
and looking for any idea of what this should look like creates the sense that this is not what it should look like
when. In fact. It simply looks what it looks like.....always.
....turquoise bottom clouds sail across sky kissed seas.....spilling midnight blue inky shadows into seamless waters....
.....this dancing falling fleeting streaming sailing tumbling flowing precious immediacy.....
....and we are intellience articulating....life knowing itself through the unique lens of you.....
....snowflakes melting into themselves......
......beauty and love known......
To know this preciousness is the greatest gift of all.....
But there is a self
It is merely transparent....a beautiful lens through which the universe knows itself.....unique.....only through us love and beauty enter the edgelessness....
....they swam in edgeless beauty of the shoreless ocean....
.....now and then their toes touched the sandy bottom and they played in the pools of love....
....and rainbows reflecting on the surface reflected back on the sandy bottomless bottom.....
....no directions are found....or lost.....
....seamlessly dancing in your own starlight.....
.....amd no cause for concern....it is not your dance....its only dancing.....
The story of self needs a future....and it is the very looking for something else that strengthens the sense of separation.
If it were truly realized that this is all there is.....ever....than all problems cease....and there is profound relaxation......
The searching for anything else when there is nothing else...ever....looking for an idea....something youve heard about....
Peace.....happiness......are ideas only
they dont exist.....thats why it is so frustrating and is so painful....
Yet knowing this intellectually will not stop the searching for that pie in the sky.....
...as there is no separate you who can step outside of the seamless timless flowing and change it or re-arrange it ...or stop it....or caputure it.....in any way.....
Life....looks and feels like anything at all....
All ideas of enlightenment or anything else are false.
There is no one at the wheel
there is no wheel
and looking for any idea of what this should look like creates the sense that this is not what it should look like
when. In fact. It simply looks what it looks like.....always.
....turquoise bottom clouds sail across sky kissed seas.....spilling midnight blue inky shadows into seamless waters....
.....this dancing falling fleeting streaming sailing tumbling flowing precious immediacy.....
....and we are intellience articulating....life knowing itself through the unique lens of you.....
....snowflakes melting into themselves......
......beauty and love known......
To know this preciousness is the greatest gift of all.....
But there is a self
It is merely transparent....a beautiful lens through which the universe knows itself.....unique.....only through us love and beauty enter the edgelessness....
....they swam in edgeless beauty of the shoreless ocean....
.....now and then their toes touched the sandy bottom and they played in the pools of love....
....and rainbows reflecting on the surface reflected back on the sandy bottomless bottom.....
....no directions are found....or lost.....
....seamlessly dancing in your own starlight.....
.....amd no cause for concern....it is not your dance....its only dancing.....
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damon123jones
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Re: guide needed
Sorry Nettie there isn't much that can be said . There is just the reading and try out going on .The daily life and the things that happen, aren't any different on the surface. Though there is some room perhaps. A little pause (paws) where earlier there was a jumping to this or that. Meditation has tuned into sitting Walking . Everything done really watching for it to be truly just done by other than thing I am doing.
Re: guide needed
Sounds wonderful.
Are you interested in answering the final questions?
Love,
Nettie
Are you interested in answering the final questions?
Love,
Nettie
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damon123jones
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Re: guide needed
ok questions are great. . . .
the answers so far not so much. :)
the answers so far not so much. :)
Re: guide needed
Dear Damon,
Here are the final questions:
1)Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
2)Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
3)How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
4)What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
5)Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do you make anything happen? Give examples from your experience.
6)Anything to add?
Love,
Nettie
Here are the final questions:
1)Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
2)Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
3)How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
4)What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
5)Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do you make anything happen? Give examples from your experience.
6)Anything to add?
Love,
Nettie
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