Ready to break through

[idolanuel]

are you liberated?

Intellectually Yes, but it feels more like each moment now to remember no ownership, or is that just part of the path till it sinks in, sort of like faking it till you make?

What makes you feel it is only intellectually?
How do you feel when reading this sentence - You do not exist.

PS: it is my Birthday today, this is the best birthday gift ever, it is like having a Birthday in a birthday, yes a story, ha ha.

Congradulations my friend :-)

[Trey]

What makes you feel it is only intellectually?
How do you feel when reading this sentence - You do not exist.

The you do not exist has no effect, we are all going to die, if this form never existed - so what. What is key for "me" thinking and thoughts always had traction, they rule ones perceived illusion of living, life. Instead of just being able to be, it was always what to do to be etc.. you know the story.

It is getting the answer to the puzzle that you did not understand and the logic was made clear. It is interesting in how each individual has to "get it" just as in all learning, no one can transmit info from one to another.

This feels like the stopping of spiritual seeking and now developing just being, being - if that makes sense at all. And there is still that sense of never aging but everything is including this container it is felt in.

This was like a big WHEW, so that's the gig. Again the sense of "I" wanting to gain back ground here. So it is all a mystery, but my Buddha nature is loving to find out how things work, find treasure and making art. This form Trey is contained in is an incredible art form, biggest mystery/treasure of all, it walks, it talks, it thinks, it can move around and make things.

Trey wants to know directly not just intellectually who/what made this all possible before death just for the hell of it. Yes an illusion but damn what an illusion and just like an earthly magician keeping their secrets to themselves so has the great magician of us to enjoy what it has created.

But if more of us do not become interested soon then this magic show we are in, it may go Poof! No problem for the Great magician it will just make another, but something very deep inside would rather see a story line as, they experienced fulfilled lives in finding inwards/outwards new worlds the Great magician created, with no "the end".

Your knowledge/insight, time and energy Ido is so greatly appreciated! even if this Trey gets way off the path/ or story line - LOL.

w infinite love and gratitude

[idolanuel]

Trey wants to know directly not just intellectually who/what made this all possible before death just for the hell of it. Yes an illusion but damn what an illusion and just like an earthly magician keeping their secrets to themselves so has the great magician of us to enjoy what it has created.

This great magician, is it real?
Is there a someone, somewhere, in any form, that "made this all possible" at all?

What is a story? What is a thought? What is the difference between the two?

Your knowledge/insight, time and energy Ido is so greatly appreciated!

My friend, you are a guide to me as I'm a guide to you.

w infinite love and gratitude

HAHA, let's leave the gratitudes to the end :-)
LOVE

[Trey]

Ok, so it is not over, awesome!
Figuring "I" got I", and was carried away in fun enthusiast meandering thoughts. Ha!

And the Questions, my compliments to the chief, besides movies and art which both arise from.

This great magician, is it real?

No, just a figure of speech, as it cannot be named or explained, it just is the I Am.

Is there a someone, somewhere, in any form, that "made this all possible" at all?

No again, only love and fear exist, ahhh to know the love. Again it is unexplainable, unnameable except to say in human language, I Am that I Am.

What is a story?

ya have to love good stories or parables as pointers so to speak, it is the straightest path between two mental constructs. Stories have the ability to break through, so seeing takes place in an individual to higher consciousness or awareness of the self. One could say like a thorn removing a thorn?

Technical description;
Story is not itself a series of events, it is an account of those events; it is the synthesis in the mind transforming perceptions (thoughts) into meaning using language created by the mind.

The narrative (thought) is created in the mind of the observer then is transferred from one consciousness to another though language.

So a story (from thought) is created when one person tells a story to another person, or as we are constantly telling a stories to ourselves.

The best overall description i read so far is here. http://www.elirarey.com/storytelling/whatis.html

What is a thought?

Ahhh thoughts, the component/s that make up stories, like
An idea or opinion produced by thinking,
Occurring suddenly in the mind
An idea or mental picture, imagined and or considered/contemplated
The product of mental activity
The action or process of thinking : cogitation. A: consideration, recollection, remembrance. B : reasoning, planning C : to imagine
the intellectual product to measure intelligence.

AND underlying Thought is that rascal Cogitation:
a : the act of cogitating ie meditation.
b : the capacity to think or reflect
c : a single thought!

OR to add - that which creates and reinforces the Self & I, if not in awareness.

What is the difference between the two?

the process of thinking creates thoughts that are then internalized and or verbalized.


Now the question is, Where is the damn mute button!!!

HAHA, let's leave the gratitude to the end :-)
LOVE

Ok, leaving it at Infinite Love!

[Trey]

aye yi yi!!! just noticed the improper grammar and sentence structures on several items in this last posting. Oh well, so instead of re-posting the whole piece if a statement or thought is unintelligible, it is not your understanding of English at fault, just ask me to clarify.

[idolanuel]

Stories have the ability to break through, so seeing takes place in an individual to higher consciousness or awareness of the self. One could say like a thorn removing a thorn?

what self?

Now the question is, Where is the damn mute button!!!

What do you think the button is needed for?

Remember, writing a clear answer clarifies the understanding.

[Trey]

what self?

was talking in third person, as telling the story to someone whom is still in that place, as the chicken/eagle or sheep/lion stories for example.

What do you think the button is needed for?

Is it just being present or watching what is, without commentary, that without effort is easy when conscious - but then it is usurped, by “I” into commentary, then going off somewhere else entirely in thought.

This appears to be a vicious cycle, or in a while after observing this game does the “I” just give up and go to its corner. Thinking is not going away, but where is the separation of space of what is in here and the thinking function?

An analogy is like for a smoker whom starts wearing a nicotine patch, with the mind observing seeing cigarettes are not required and in lowering the nicotine in the patch over time to zero a clear separation is made, bodily and mentally appears.

Here substitute “I”ing as nicotine, the patch is the present moment or now/direct experience etc. and lowering or being fully present as possible in observing the moment/now as it is without all the drama of have to do anything. Somehow then separate spaces take form?

Remember, writing a clear answer clarifies the understanding.

If "I" say "I" know, or got it, or Ok, it is just "I"ing again, easier said than done it seems, but the heart is sincere in seeing this through, is all this form can really state.

[idolanuel]

This appears to be a vicious cycle, or in a while after observing this game does the “I” just give up and go to its corner. Thinking is not going away, but where is the separation of space of what is in here and the thinking function?

Once the story is seen, it usually doesn't go away immediately. It might stay for a while, or maybe forever. But it is now seen as a story, and this is how it will stay forever. With time, as the realization deepens, I can only guess that this space will become clearer, or maybe the volume of the thoughts get lower. It is an individual process. For now, it doesn't matter - Could anyone ever convince you again that Trey exists?

but the heart is sincere in seeing this through, is all this form can really state.

Great :-)
Can you approve that the illusion has been seen through?
If you do, I will post the 5 final questions. Once you respond, some other guides will read your answers and confirm / ask for some clarification, if needed.

[Trey]

Could anyone ever convince you again that Trey exists?

No, it would be easier to show them it does not.

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Great :-) Can you approve that the illusion has been seen through? If you do, I will post the 5 final questions. Once you respond, some other guides will read your answers and confirm / ask for some clarification, if needed.

Yes!
Now can Trey thank you for your time and effort? Yes we are all in this together, and there is no we, or time etc. - but there is still a little hold out here so to speak it is just not all up to chance!!! :>)

PS: you did say that the sense of the never aging/awareness inside the chest area would be addressed later?

[idolanuel]

Now can Trey thank you for your time and effort? Yes we are all in this together, and there is no we, or time etc. - but there is still a little hold out here so to speak it is just not all up to chance!!! :>)

HAHA we are not done (yet) but I accept it happily, as I did before. it is a great honor for me as well, to be guided by you, as I learn so much from this discussion. Thank you.

PS: you did say that the sense of the never aging/awareness inside the chest area would be addressed later?

I did, but I don't find it neccassery, as I don't find many other things that we can talk about neccassery for this process right now, as it seems that you've got it all. There is an endless amount of knowledge around us, but the important thing is to see the illusion, which is a process that I believe got to an end.

Is there anything that you would like to clarify before we move on to the final questions? Anything that you feel is missing?

[Trey]

Is there anything that you would like to clarify before we move on to the final questions? Anything that you feel is missing?

FUNNY YOU SHOULD ASK!!! ha ha ha, BUT in all sincerity NO on this matter of the Gateless Gate, being internal no words really can go there.

But there is one more email to send to the form of Ido, but it requires a bit of simmering, to dilute it to its true essence. Not to rush it in this email, and if it ever gets sent or not, read or not, does not matter in the real scope of life.

But today has had some challenges without a self or an “I” in responding to family and friends on the phone, and it is a sort of one foot in the boat (Is) and one still on land (I”ing), twilight zone without a paddle, ha ha.

Thanks! Send the questions.

[idolanuel]

As mentioned before, the final questions are here to verify that 'you' have seen through the illusion of the seperate self, and will be reviewed by some other guides for the final confirmation. we have already discussed the 1st one, but plz answer it too in order for it all to be well organized for the other guides to read.

Take as much time as needed for this, no hurry.
Enjoy :-)

1) Is there a 'me', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works.

3) How does it feel to see this? describe in detail.

4) How would you describe it to somebody who has never heard about this illusion but is curious about it.

5) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look? was there a specific moment when seeing happened or was it gradual? what exactly happened?

[Trey]

Hello Ido,

Saw the email sent twice, the first will answer the five questions this second to Ido, not to cover etc just how to deal with Now this moment. AS a note, the first four questions are quick it is the fifth that will fill four or five pages. To be totally honest & sincere as it was a deduction Not going back thirty, forty, fifty years of just ingrained programing to what is now.

But there are six pertinent items, two video, one audio, three written, one in a personal conversations that in combination from your direct pointing keeping it in the Direct Experience,focusing in the Now and out of the head. The rest is grace, or Ok it is meant to be when it is meant to be. Whatever, it happened!!!

Lets just say the search is over, now to go deeper.

But before that, is now, this moment in dealing with family, friends and neighbors. Having now gone over this the last four hours to simplify from three pages to this, oh, still the "I" persist, but seeing it, has made all the difference.

Trey is trying to talk to Mom, Aunt, Step mom, friends, hey why you been hiding, why no phone calls, what have you been up to - All Today!!?, to express what started to seep in two days ago, it was ok - this internal sensation is cool, yea "I" am cool - no self, oops, where did the "I" go, it is like an evaporation of that sense that was called "self" is trying, no trying huh, there is nothing here to try, what the hell, it is gone, yes "it" can be re-felt so to speak, but never believed again!

To explain to relatives & friends - Trey is hearing, experiencing, but not here, uggghhhh! Why all these calls today, all now, this moment, it is literally like an internal war/dying?, this sense is watching/experiencing, yes this too shall pass, but while on a phone call, dealing with two realities? at this moment, now in direct experience. No words come forth.

There is no sense of talking to reinforce a sense of self, there or here, like doing damage, to avoid going back, till it has taken full root, not trying to explain, Trey does not want to talk now, but conscious of how it sounds to them.

Ok, shutting up, remembering - simple question, how does one in this state speak with others without sounding crazy, what difference does that make anyway, yada yada. It is like the sense of self is literally bleeding out, and not wanting to stop it, yet still wanting/required to communicate, as a sane person, impossible? - Help!!!

Ok Ido, make sense?

and after all that rambling.

With a sincere heart felt Namaste to your patients, life experiences, understanding - yet firm to jar forth this interlocked journey called life/love.

Without this safe space of questioning this website/your presence permitted, this form would be hanging from the “I”s rope instead. And now (god, I am, give it whatever name) living (with no insisted or required attachments/desires, it just is).

Ido - infinite love always,

[idolanuel]

Trey,

I didn't understand from your mail if you were trying to send the 5 questions already or didn't do that yet?
If you did try - it wasn't published for some reason.

Peace

[Trey]

no i have not sent them yet, later today possibly, still watching, being with this system as it settles down.
thanks, w infinite love