Could I start again?

[lunaysol]

Hello :)

Well, the thoughts are not mine. They're thoughts coming and going...

[lunaysol]

I don't need to control the thoughts in my mind because they're not important. I try not to pay attention to them. Am I understanding this thing about thoughts? It feels difficult :S

[Rohit]

Investigate whether you exist in any way other than as a thought. One way to do this is to examine everything that you think you are in the following way: Am I a body? If so, can a body exist in any way other than as the thought of it? How would I know?
Am I a mind? If so, can a mind exist in any way other than as the thought of it? How would I know?
Am I a …..? etc. In this way, investigate everything that you imagine yourself to be.

[lunaysol]

Hello :)

I exist only as a thought.

Am I a body? If so, can a body exist in any way other than as the thought of it? How would I know?
Am I a mind? If so, can a mind exist in any way other than as the thought of it? How would I know?
Am I a …..? etc. In this way, investigate everything that you imagine yourself to be.

I'm not a body. I'm not a mind.

I think that the body and the mind exist if I think they exist, so they exist as thoughts. I know this because I don't see myself anywhere. I look for something like "I" but it's not there. I'm using the pronoun "I", is this a bad sign? Why do we say "I think..."? I guess it's only a metaphor because we need words to tell things/thoughts...

If I ask myself: Am I a woman? Am I a translator? Am I (whatever I seem to be)? The answer is always no. I'm not those things.

Montse

[lunaysol]

Hello again,

I'm sorry for forming a theory:

I guess it's only a metaphor because we need words to tell things/thoughts...

Why do I say "I" so often? Does a liberated person stop talking about him/herself?

If this is only a thought, then it's not important, right?

What can I do now?

I'm also sorry for not answering everyday. I'll always try to answer as soon as possible.

Montse

[Rohit]

Hi :)

I exist only as a thought.

i'm not a body. I'm not a mind.

I think that the body and the mind exist if I think they exist, so they exist as thoughts. I know this because I don't see myself anywhere. I look for something like "I" but it's not there. I'm using the pronoun "I", is this a bad sign? Why do we say "I think..."? I guess it's only a metaphor because we need words to tell things/thoughts...

If I ask myself: Am I a woman? Am I a translator? Am I (whatever I seem to be)? The answer is always no. I'm not those things.

Yes. so, is there a you?

Why do I say "I" so often? Does a liberated person stop talking about him/herself?

"I" is simply a label you have been using to interact with the outside world.

What can I do now?

I'm going to give you a quick exercise. For EVERY thought/feeling that arises, break it down into components. If there is an "I" involved anywhere in the thought (even if it thinks it's the "owner" of the thought), then do the following:

Look at an object in the room. Such as your keyboard. Don't think too much of it, it's just an anchor to reality. Take the component, such as "I", and compare it to your anchor. Does it exist in the EXACT same way?

Do this for EVERY thought that passes by. Do you feel doubt that it's working? Compare THAT thought. And then THAT thought. And that one and that one. EVERY THOUGHT that passes by. Compare it to your anchor.

The thought exists. It is being experienced. Does the subject of the thought exist?

Once you do that for a while, expand beyond thoughts. Look at your experiences.

Everything in your life, everyone you know, everything you have experienced. Use this exercise on EVERYTHING.

Is there any consistency, with all of it?

Thoughts do exist. Very much so.

You cannot touch them with your fingers, nor see them with your eyes, but they can be experienced.

Thoughts are part of reality. A keyboard is part of reality. In that way, they exist EXACTLY the same way.

There is no devisions in reality. If there were one devision, it would be that something exists, or doesn't exist. But that devision is false. Because if something doesn't exist, there's no use drawing a dividing line.

A thought exists. It's part of reality.
A keyboard exists. It's part of reality.

Reality has no devisions.

Does "I" exist in the same way? Notice a consistency?


Say I was thinking about Superman. Does that mean Superman exists? Nope.
But, the thought about Superman exists.
Moreover, Superman relates to a man wearing a suit. It is tangible, even if it doesn't exist. It's something you can visualize.
You cannot say the same thing about "I". It's just this concept that has absolutely no basis in reality.

[lunaysol]

Hi,

I'm trying to do the exercise as much as I can.

Montse

[Rohit]

Hi,
Let me know what you find?
:)

[lunaysol]

Hello!

I've been doing the exercise every day. Today I felt my thought wasn't mine. I didn't matter anymore. It was neutral...

Does "I" exist in the same way? Notice a consistency?

"I" has less consistency then, when I'm doing the exercise.

Montse

[lunaysol]

Hi,

I mean that my thoghts aren't important for me when I do the exercise. I don't suffer because there's no "me".

:)

[lunaysol]

hello!

What can I do now? I'll keep doing this exercise. I love it...I feel less fear nowadays :)

I don't know... Sometimes I think I should experience the non self stronger and all the time... do I experience it? I'm not sure. I experience that "I" is not important. I see this "I" from outside.

Montse

[Rohit]

Hi,

Air is real, you breathe air, you don't see it, but you breathe it, therefore it exists in reality.
The "you" doesn't not exist in reality in any form, all that exists is thoughts about "you", but no actual "you".

I = thoughts, "I" doesn't exist, there is no you, thoughts exist, thoughts of an "I" exist, but there is no actual "I" that exists in reality.

And yes look at it directly, look at reality directly, is there such a thing as a self in reality?

[lunaysol]

Hello,

I look at it and I can't find any self :) I feel peace when I see this :)

Is this enlightment? What should I experience and how can I keep this state?

:)

[Rohit]

Hi,

"Liberation" means that you see that self is an illusion. Before liberation, we have varying ideas about self - different for each person. Afterwards, we see that despite all these ideas, "I" refers to nothing, and there can be no perceiver, or experiencer, or controller, or seer, or hearer, or feeler, or breather, or any other manifestations of a being "doing" something. There is being insofar as that there is the illusion of being. The illusion of an experiencer that is separate from experience. But there can be none. Experience encompasses experiencer. There is no you living life; just life being lived, occasionally featuring thoughts about "me" and "I". :)

The realization may not be there "every second", but knowing it happened and KNOWING there is no self will always be there, and its this knowing that is the most important bit of enlightenment.

The movement, the living continues, including a FEELING of being I/Me/Myself. But you can see that there is nothing that controls the living, the movement. Nothing solid and identifiable.

Do you have any questions/doubts for me?

[lunaysol]

Hello!

I've been thinking of your message... I don't have questions but I don't feel enlighted or free. I understand the theory and I believe it inside me.

You said: The realization may not be there "every second"

Sometimes I feel fear or I have nightmares...