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[warissem]

Good evening

It seems not to be seen, but rather felt. When listening to non dual speakers, it resonates with what’s felt. For instance there is no judging anymore (even if I try), no searching for «the next» or become «a better version of self», no knowledge is «needed» and actually nothing is needed anymore. So it is more of an intellectual understanding of what is felt without actually «seeing» it, if it makes sense.

In one hand you say "it seems not to be seen", in another hand you speak the end of the search.
Are you still seeking OR there is no need for seeking anymore ?

But after reading Tony Parsons’s «the open secret», it was seen that no one read the book. «Bliss» (laughter, lightness and happiness) happened for 3 days. But the clarity seems to have faded, so again - there’s just an intellectual understanding and might memory yes.

Seeing no self is not seeking for experiences of bliss. Experiences come and go. All experience has a beginning and has an end.

I invite you again to quote each question and answer to it.

When it was seen that there is no separate self and at which circumstances ?

What was seen in your own words ?

Is there a seer or a knower of what is seen ?

Warissem

[Hamano]

Hi Warissem

Thanks for being directly.

I wish I could give a straight answer to that. Seeking is happening, but there is also a feeling of «no need» for it. I don’t know how to explain it, it seems to be both happening at the same time. But seeking is happening.


When it was seen that there is no separate self and at which circumstances ?
- after reading Tony Parsons book. Sitting in my apartment in front of the fire place reading. When finishing up, there was a seeing that no one read the book… and that there has never been anyone.

What was seen in your own words ?
- that there has never been anyone and no one was reading. Reading happened. It was emptyness. It was seen as something very organic. Extraordinary but ordinary. Neutral.

Is there a seer or a knower of what is seen ?
- it seems like there is a knower as I can remember what happened. But at the same time it seems like none. It’s just the illusion/story of something that seemed to happen. Remembering is happening. Thinking is happening. Resonating is happening. But no crystal clear seeing of no self is happening.

Best regards

Miko

[warissem]

Hi Miko

Use the function quote to select each question before giving an answer :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=-fAToDNh9hQ

What do you expect to happen after having seen through the illusion of a separate self ?

What will change in your life ?

Kind regards

Warissem

[Hamano]

Hi Warissem

Thanks for letting me know how to use the quote system.

What do you expect to happen after having seen through the illusion of a separate self ?

There is no or little expectations. As the glimpse has already been seen, it seems to be «known» what to be «expected» already.

What will change in your life ?

Nothing will change in my life. Maybe I could help others see clearly themselves, but other than that: nothing.

Looking forward to hear from you again.

Best regards

Miko

[warissem]

Hi Miko

There is no or little expectations. As the glimpse has already been seen, it seems to be «known» what to be «expected» already.

Good. You have a memory of that glimpse, but how about this moment here now ?

Concerning the seeing of no separate self, even it is seen then it cannot be seen, it cannot be forgotten OR it has not been seen.

Where are you seeing from ?

What is reading these words on the screen ?

Give answers after looking at direct experience (seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting and sensations). Looking means observation having the question in mind, seeing is happening after looking. Seeing means here : finding what we look for or not finding it.

Example : Can you find a tiger under your bed ? You look under your bed then SEE the answer : there is a tiger or there is no tiger (the answer depends on what is seen). It is the same way for looking at you, a separate self. Look and see the answer.

Kind regards

Warissem

[Hamano]

Hi Warissem

Good. You have a memory of that glimpse, but how about this moment here now ?

Tiredness i happening. Eating is happening. Seeing that the memory is a story. The feeling of both - a self but also emptyness is happening.

Where are you seeing from ?

This is hard. There is a sense of me, but there is still emptyness. It’s seen from both the «illusion» and that seeing is simply happening.

What is reading these words on the screen ?

It’s the same. The feeling of self and emptyness.

Ugh, I hope I am not a hopless case for you.

Best regards

Miko

[warissem]

Hi Miko

Tiredness i happening. Eating is happening. Seeing that the memory is a story. The feeling of both - a self but also emptyness is happening.

What is a self ? Look and describe it for me.

What is emptiness ? Look and describe it for me.

This is hard. There is a sense of me, but there is still emptyness. It’s seen from both the «illusion» and that seeing is simply happening.

Describe this sense of me : how it is expressed in the body ?

Can an illusion see or know something ?

Ugh, I hope I am not a hopless case for you.

There is no hopeless case. Even you commit yourself to look for the existence of the separate self, seeing will happen or not happen. Even you swallow in thoughts and believe stories, the truth is not in the mind.

When I invite you to look, it means that you keep looking with a question in mind (am I doing things?) during your daily activities. This looking must be a second nature till you see or you catch the answer, the truth of no separate self in any shape or form. it is not a mind process, it is an investigation in the field. Example : right now, you are seeing the screen : ask "am I seeing the screen ? " When you look at what is happening, there is no "I" in the field, there is only the screen. Do this investigation for other activities 24/7 and come back with the news.

Kind regards

Warissem

[Hamano]

Hi Warissem

I have spent some days to look.

What is a self ? Look and describe it for me.

A self is a sense of separation when life and the world seems real. It seems personal and that things are happening to someone (me). But the self is also an illusion. There is this sense that was «born» as a child that «I» am me and «I» am doing something. «I am writing this».

What is emptiness ? Look and describe it for me.

Emptiness is silence and unconditional love moving around as energy. There is nothing happening to anyone. All there is is nothing/emptyness. Calmness. Freedom. Peace.

Describe this sense of me : how it is expressed in the body ?

The sense of me is expressed in the body as energy. It’s fear and atm it is expressed as stress. I am dating someone so fear and stress is arising. This is one of the reasons why it seems like in some parts the illusion is not seen crystal clear.

Can an illusion see or know something ?

I don’t know. The sense of me seems to be an illusion and it seems like it is an energetic thing that makes a searching energy and the need to see and know. But the illusion can’t see or know «this» and this is all that is, so my answer would be no.

Sending my warmest regards

Miko

[Hamano]

PS
Q: In the story before the aparent «loss» of the seeking, the knowing, the judging, the «need» for seomething or at all the «me», there seemed to be a sensitivity to other people’s energy. There was a great sense of separation and sometimes it was felt that a person had a stressful energy or draining energy.

«Now» after the aparent drop, there is still a sense of someones stressful energy and draining energy. Earlier I would like to express it as: «I don’t know if the energy is mine or the other person». But there seems to not be a separation, but at the same time it seems to still be some kind of affection to another human beings presence. Does what’s written make sense?

Would you kindly comment on that please?

Best regards

Miko

[warissem]

Hi Miko

The sense of me is expressed in the body as energy.

There is energy : yes. Here it is labelled “sense of me”, do you see this ?

It’s fear and atm it is expressed as stress. I am dating someone so fear and stress is arising. This is one of the reasons why it seems like in some parts the illusion is not seen crystal clear.

These two concepts are also labels for the energy : what is fear and stress outside of thoughts ?

PS : about others and stressful energy, it is a thought story. Don't project on "others" : sensations are here, go to these sensations, welcome them and give light to them.

Kind regards

Warissem

[Hamano]

Hi Warissem

There is energy : yes. Here it is labelled “sense of me”, do you see this ?

Hmmm, not sure what's meant here. Could you explain?

These two concepts are also labels for the energy : what is fear and stress outside of thoughts ?

It seems like intense energy arising. A kind of energy that is not judged for good or bad, BUT it seems like preferences are there and that it would be preferred not to sense this kind of intense energy.

sensations are here, go to these sensations, welcome them and give light to them.

But by saying this, wouldn't it be the same as saying there is a person that can welcome and give something to something?

Best regards

Miko

[warissem]

Hi Miko

Hmmm, not sure what's meant here. Could you explain?

Energy is a felt sensation : a sensation is here but "a sense of me" is a thought. It is a label superimposed on the sensation. the same sensation is labeled "stress", or "fear" or "happiness".
It is like drinking orange juice : the taste is there but the thought "it is sweet or delicious" is just a thought.
You need to make distinctions between WHAT IS (direct experience) and Thoughts, labels, concepts, beliefs, assumptions.

It seems like intense energy arising. A kind of energy that is not judged for good or bad, BUT it seems like preferences are there and that it would be preferred not to sense this kind of intense energy.

Yes, yes. Preferences for whom ? The last sentence is a thought story about this energy : go right to the sensation and see it as what it is, without going to thoughts.

But by saying this, wouldn't it be the same as saying there is a person that can welcome and give something to something?

Here, there is a resistance to do it : are you afraid to discover the truth of what you call "energy" ? Instead of looking at this sensation, you are turning around. It is like not wanting to look under your bed when you were said that there is a monster there. Look for yourself and see what is this energy, what is hidden in there.

Warissem

[Hamano]

Hi Warissem

Sorry for my late reply. Here's my answers.

There is energy : yes. Here it is labelled “sense of me”, do you see this ?

Ok, I think I see that now.

Yes, yes. Preferences for whom ? The last sentence is a thought story about this energy : go right to the sensation and see it as what it is, without going to thoughts.

Preference seems to arise - but for no one. It's just happening. As for the sensation without thoughts, it's an intense sensation in my stomach. Hard to put words on it.

Here, there is a resistance to do it : are you afraid to discover the truth of what you call "energy" ? Instead of looking at this sensation, you are turning around. It is like not wanting to look under your bed when you were said that there is a monster there. Look for yourself and see what is this energy, what is hidden in there.

Yes, it seems to be kind of a fear that makes avoidance. It may be fear to discover the truth.

Best regards

Miko

[warissem]

Hi Miko

Glad hearing from you.

Yes, it seems to be kind of a fear that makes avoidance. It may be fear to discover the truth.

Look at this fear : where is it expressed in the body ? Look at what is there and come back with what is arising.

Warissem

[Hamano]

Hi Warissem

Thank you for your patience, I appreciate it.

Look at this fear : where is it expressed in the body ? Look at what is there and come back with what is arising.

It seems to be a light sensation in the stomach.

Best regards

Miko