(Hindi) Why sufferings?

[PAWAN]

namastay ji
Its better on Zoom app. Which is the best time for you ...are you in india ...right....i am free on saturday and sunday .
Regards
Pawan

[jgdapoorva]

Namaste Pawanji,

I am taking a break from guiding. I am quite occupied and I am not able to give you proper attention. I have informed Ron of the same. I wish you all the best. I apologize for the inconvenience caused.

Regards,
Apoorva

[Kya]

Hi Pawan,

Yadi aap ko objection nahi hai to main is conversation ko pick kar sakti hoon.

Kya aap roz post kar sakate hain? Is se momentum bana harega.

Yahan koi anahoni cheez nahin hoti. Jo hamare experience main hai vohi dekhte hain.

To kya shuroo karen?

Divya

[PAWAN]

namastey hi
Bilkul theek .wo ek flow hona chiye.aap mujhe roj ek question de ...mai sincerly answer karu ga.is se wo Rhythm Bank rahe GI.
Regards
Pawan

[Kya]

Hi Pawan,

Aam taur par ham sochate hain ki ham soch sakate hain, kuchh kar sakate hain, kuchh cheezen control main hain hamare aur ham vo vyakti hain jo yah sab kar sakta hai. Aam soch ke anusaar hamara duniya main aik alag astitva hai, aik separate self hai. Hamara uddeshya yah dekhana hai ki aisa koi yahan nahi hai.

To thik hai.

Aap apane anubhav se bataiye ki kya hai aapke anubhav main?

Hamare anubhav main sirf five senses(seeing, hearing, tasting, smelling, sensations of the body) and thoughts hain. Aap din main kai baar dekhiye, dhoondhane ki koshish karen ki iske alaava kuchh aur hai. Agar aapko kuchh aur mila to uske bare main bhi likhen. Jaldabaji na karen.

Aapne kaha ki yadi sufferer nahi hai to suffering kyon hai. Yah kuchh ulta argument hai. Par ham yahan argue nahin karenge. Ham is prashna par vichar karne main interested nahin hain. Prashna yah hai ki hamare anubhav main sufferer hai ya nahin. Doer, thinker etc. hai ya nahin. Yah ham thought se explore nahin kar sakate. Kyonki thoughts ki limitations hain. Jo ham is exploration main aage dekhenge. Is exploration ko ham apne anubhav main karenge.

Main jo prashna blue main likhoon, us ka vistar me utter likhen, jo aap currently anubhav kar rahen hon uske anusar.

Is exploration main kai baar jhhunjhhalahat, dar, boredom adi aate hain. Yadi ye aayen, to dekhiye ye aate hain aur jate hain. Transient hain. Yadi persistent hon to likhiye.

Iske alava, aapki bahut expectations hain, ki is exploration ke falaswaroop aapki thinking clear hogi, suffering nahi rahegi aadi. Ham pahale se kuchh bhi predict nahi kar sakate. Aur dekhiye ki ye expectations isliye hain ki aap yah maan kar chal rahen hain ki aik separate self hai jo yah jeevan jee raha hai. Yadi aisa hai hi nahin to expectations kiske liye hain? Kya aap apni expectations ko dobara padh kar aik taraf rakh sakate hain? Aisa karane se yah exploration saral ho jayega.

Aur quote function use karna seekhen. Jis prashna ka uttar likh rahen hain use quote karen. Quote karane ke liye, text ko select karen, phir text box ke ooper jo Qoute button hai use dabayen. Yah kaisa dikhega, vo text box ke neeche Preview button ko click kar ke dekhen.


Divya

[PAWAN]

Aap apane anubhav se bataiye ki kya hai aapke anubhav main?
Mujhe kuch samaj nhin aa raha mai kaun hu,kyu hu.aap ne bilkul theek bola through my thoughts i may not be able to know because of their limitations. I read in books that i am not a body not a mind par samaj nhin aata koi experience nhin hai .i am physically hier i mean my body is hier.but beyond five senses kuch pata nhin.i tried not to identified myself with this body par as u said thoughts ki limitation hai or moreover thoughts sirf memory se aate hai...par phir insights kya hai..hamara koi trueself nhin hai .phir yeh body brain KI kaum chala raha hai...agar bole nature or life....may be i m just beleiving only words.then what about my emotions...what are their origin...from memory ...what about actions that i take because of my emotions......mai bahut confuse hu...if i am not this body then why i. Do afraid of old age,sickness..kya meri sari attachment meri suffering ka root hai. Or koi suffering kuch hoti. Nhin.
Regards
Pawan

[Kya]

Hi Pawan,

Hm... Aapne jo likha hai us se lagata hai ki aapki appoach hai - Main kaun hoon? Yah approach kuchh log use karate hain. Par liberation unleashed ki approach yah hai - clearly dekhen ki aap jo apne ko samajhhate hain vo nahin hain.

Aapne likha hai -

...what about actions that i take because of my emotions.....

Who is claiming to do that action?
Who is claiming emotions to be my emotions?


To look more clearly, ki yah actions kaun kar raha hai, yah exercise karen:
1. Aik haath apne samane rakhen, hatheli oopar ki taraf.
2. Ab, hatheli palaten - neeche ki taraf. Fir oopar ... neeche aur isi tarah flip karen.

Watch like a hawk.

Don't go to thoughts - examine your direct experience. Do it as many times as you like and each time inquire -
1. Who is controlling this movement?
2. Kya aik thought ise control kar raha hai?
3. Kya kisi bhi tarah ka controller kahin bhi located hai?
4. Haath ko palatne ka decision kaise liya jata hai? Track any decision point when a thought MADE THE DECISION to turn the hand over and the hand turns over immediately?
5. Who or what chose which hand - the left or the right to use for this exercise?
6. Kya koi vyakti hai ya kuchh bhi hai jo choose kar raha hai kab hatheli ko ooper ya neeche palatana hai?


Kai baar yah exercise karen.

Aap khud actually jab tak nahin karenge, hamare conversation ka koi parinaam nahin nikalega. Yah investigation aapka hai. Aapko dekhna hai, aapko inquire karna hai.

Then answer each question in blue separately. Jab aap jawab type karen, repeat the excercise again and write the answer as closely as possible from what you experience and NOT from memory.

To use the quote function correctly, do this : Type [ quote] before the sentence, type [ /quote] after the text. Just don't type the space I have typed after [ in each [ quote] and [ /quote]

Divya

[PAWAN]

[Kya koi vyakti hai ya kuchh bhi hai jo choose kar raha hai kab hatheli ko ooper ya neeche palatana hai?
Its me who chooses.]

[PAWAN]

[Haath ko palatne ka decision kaise liya jata hai? Track any decision point when a thought MADE THE DECISION to turn the hand over and the hand turns over immediately?
]ek thought origin hota hai then i take Action

[PAWAN]

[Kya aik thought ise control kar raha hai?
May be a thought or subcauscious mind is controlling]

[PAWAN]

[Who is claiming emotions to be my emotions?]
Its me who is claming emotions to be my emotions

[Kya]

Hi Pawan,

Aapke answers key liye dhanyavaad.

To, is investigation mein here is how we look, basically this is how we approach each and every question.
Aapki peeth ke peechhe kya hai yah aap do tarah se bata sakte hain.
1) Aap isake baare mein soch sakte hain, remember kar sakte hain aur phir mujhe bata sakte hain ki aapne kya socha ki aapki peeth ke peechhe kya hai.
2) Aap peechhe turn kar ke, abhi dekhen aur describe karen.
Kya yah spasht hai?

[Kya koi vyakti hai ya kuchh bhi hai jo choose kar raha hai kab hatheli ko ooper ya neeche palatana hai?
Its me who chooses.]

Does the thought "me" choose to turn the palm up or down? Can the thought "me" do anything?
If it is not the thought "me", what is it in your experience that is choosing to turn the palm?

I'd like to ask you to learn to use the quotation function, so our conversation will be easier to read for both of us. So here is a link to a video how to quote
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=660

Divya

[PAWAN]

Namastay
No idea how and who is controlling my hand.if i say just a thought, but without some power how only my thought can control. If i say its only an energy even then i only assume all the Story without knowing it.
Regards
Pawan

[Kya]

Namaste Pawan,

Nice looking - "No idea how and who is controlling my hand."

And you are right when you say - "saying it's only an energy would be a story."

I agree, this process is about testing our beliefs about ourselves against actual experience. This is not about adopting new beliefs or stories.

Is process mein main bahut se prashn karoongi. Aap sabhi prashnon ke uttar alag alag likhen. Lagata hai quote function use karne men kuchh problem aa rahi hai. So, try this, aap har question ko copy paste karen aur uska uttar uske neeche likhen.

Pawan:"No idea how or who is controlling my hand"

Nice. Par lagata hai aapke doubts hain. Kya aap yah kah rahe hain ki aapko direct experience mein koi controller nahi mila par ho sakta hai ki kahin koi controller ho? To, please is prashn ka uttar den "Kya koi controller hai? Kahin bhi, body mein, duniya main, almari mein?"

When this belief comes - "I control this and this", take the opportunity to look for a controller in direct experience.

Aur batayen - "Kya haath aapka hai? Is hath ka owner kahan hai, body mein hai ya thought (mind) mein, almari mein hai ya outer space mein? Vah kaisa dikhata hai?" Consider these questions, look in the experience. What happens when you consider these questions?

Divya

[PAWAN]

Namastay ji

Kya koi controller hai? Kahin bhi, body mein, duniya main, almari mein?"

May be koi Controller hoga but Mera koi experience nhin hai about that,i can only assume from my memory.
"

Kya haath aapka hai? Is hath ka owner kahan hai, body mein hai ya thought (mind) mein, almari mein hai ya outer space mein? Vah kaisa dikhata hai?" Consider these questions, look in the experience.

Kya haath mere hai. Ha agar mai only body hu.mujhe pata nhin .body ko Brain control karta hai ...fir kya mai sirf brain or mind hu(par brain to only memory hai which gathered over a period of time.

REGARDS
PAWAN