And the feeling that you can do something arises just as spomtaneously and effortlessly as the feeling that you can't do something....
Its all happening as it does...
all of it.
including the feeling that this is not right....
And expectations ...They obscure the sun.... like looking through a window with the sun painted on it...
Everything is lost.
everything...
Nothing can be held onto...
How wondrous!
Yet you want to hold this knowing?
Nothing can be held onto.
Nothing.
Face it right now
give up completely.
Youre falling.....and everything is falling with you
That something must bust apart
or go away
Or be seen
Or recognized...
to find well being.
all ideas of what this should look like.
And what this is is beyond expectations or beliefs.
It looks like what it looks like and cannot be changed or held onto.
And no you to choose to hold onto it or not
or try to hold onto it or not....
You belive that you need to see or recognize some thing
You are waiting for a shift...
You are waiting...
and yet there is no you to choose to wait or not to wait....
There is nothing other
ever
ever
than this
and we are going to die
and its all meaningless.....
It is all
really
just
this
as it is...............
Liquidity flowing ......
Beautifully impermanent
Breaks your heart
Beautiful
No handholds what so-ever...
....tears.....
The ground collapses......
The house of cards built of belief and hope and fear collapses......
Utter beauty
your heart breaks....
And there is no place to be
there is no place to be...
And there never was
it was all thought dreams...
guide needed
Re: guide needed
It only takes a second to look.
Look without any ideas of what you will or will not find.
What is keeping you from looking?
Love,
Nettie
Look without any ideas of what you will or will not find.
What is keeping you from looking?
Love,
Nettie
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damon123jones
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Re: guide needed
Beautifully impermanent
Breaks your heart
Beautiful
No handholds what so-ever...
....tears.....
The ground collapses......
The house of cards built of belief and hope and fear collapses......
Utter beauty
your heart breaks....
I love this feeling what you wrote.
nettie.
there is a fear of not being caught in the event of a fall ,a lack of faith in being taken cared of. that it will be fine if
I gave up .
so self reliance that this body hold me.
inside I can see no one, just . . . believe that I exist but . . . . .
there is a believing of the unseen me still not there but sensed body and thought that this is me.
though couldn't be .
I say no to this. I feeling this is just a body sense ! I cant be a body sence
but there is an unconvinced quality to it .
and i don't know what to look at if there is nothing to look at for real.
there is thought a belief in body me still.
you are great.
Breaks your heart
Beautiful
No handholds what so-ever...
....tears.....
The ground collapses......
The house of cards built of belief and hope and fear collapses......
Utter beauty
your heart breaks....
I love this feeling what you wrote.
nettie.
there is a fear of not being caught in the event of a fall ,a lack of faith in being taken cared of. that it will be fine if
I gave up .
so self reliance that this body hold me.
inside I can see no one, just . . . believe that I exist but . . . . .
there is a believing of the unseen me still not there but sensed body and thought that this is me.
though couldn't be .
I say no to this. I feeling this is just a body sense ! I cant be a body sence
but there is an unconvinced quality to it .
and i don't know what to look at if there is nothing to look at for real.
there is thought a belief in body me still.
you are great.
Re: guide needed
Dear Damon,
"I love this feeling what you wrote.
nettie.
there is a fear of not being caught in the event of a fall ,a lack of faith in being taken cared of. that it will be fine if
I gave up .
so self reliance that this body hold me.
inside I can see no one, just . . . believe that I exist but . . . . . "
Yes ....the belief there is a separate you...is it not thought that seems to have continuity?
"there is a believing of the unseen me still not there but sensed body and thought that this is me.
though couldn't be .
I say no to this. I feeling this is just a body sense ! I cant be a body sence
but there is an unconvinced quality to it .
and i don't know what to look at if there is nothing to look at for real.
there is thought a belief in body me still."
Notice how the thought I am body is not always present...
And like all perceptions arises totally on its own....utterly spontaneously....
Without you having to do a thing.
Is there anything that is solid or stable or fixed?
Or is it all a seamless timeless unitary flowing?
What happens when you look utterly honesty.... Without trying to figure it out?
Love,
Nettie
"I love this feeling what you wrote.
nettie.
there is a fear of not being caught in the event of a fall ,a lack of faith in being taken cared of. that it will be fine if
I gave up .
so self reliance that this body hold me.
inside I can see no one, just . . . believe that I exist but . . . . . "
Yes ....the belief there is a separate you...is it not thought that seems to have continuity?
"there is a believing of the unseen me still not there but sensed body and thought that this is me.
though couldn't be .
I say no to this. I feeling this is just a body sense ! I cant be a body sence
but there is an unconvinced quality to it .
and i don't know what to look at if there is nothing to look at for real.
there is thought a belief in body me still."
Notice how the thought I am body is not always present...
And like all perceptions arises totally on its own....utterly spontaneously....
Without you having to do a thing.
Is there anything that is solid or stable or fixed?
Or is it all a seamless timeless unitary flowing?
What happens when you look utterly honesty.... Without trying to figure it out?
Love,
Nettie
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damon123jones
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Re: guide needed
Yes ....the belief there is a separate you...is it not thought that seems to have continuity?
is there anything that is solid or stable or fixed?
Or is it all a seamless timeless unitary flowing?
What happens when you look utterly honesty.... Without trying to figure it out?
its very few moments where iam aware of no mental input. its so bad.
chatter chatter chatter
remembering some things you said.
reminding to see if everything is just happening and thoughts jumping in saying here iam .
chewing trying wrestling
is there anything that is solid or stable or fixed?
Or is it all a seamless timeless unitary flowing?
What happens when you look utterly honesty.... Without trying to figure it out?
its very few moments where iam aware of no mental input. its so bad.
chatter chatter chatter
remembering some things you said.
reminding to see if everything is just happening and thoughts jumping in saying here iam .
chewing trying wrestling
Re: guide needed
Dear Damon,
"its very few moments where iam aware of no mental input. its so bad.
chatter chatter chatter
remembering some things you said.
reminding to see if everything is just happening and thoughts jumping in saying here iam ."
And thoughts like all perception arise spontaneously un-bidden. Constantly ceaseless un-predictable?
Yes?
"chewing trying wrestling"
Look for a separate chewer trier wrestler.
Or does life simply happen and look like anything at all?
look for a controller. Now.
Nettie
"its very few moments where iam aware of no mental input. its so bad.
chatter chatter chatter
remembering some things you said.
reminding to see if everything is just happening and thoughts jumping in saying here iam ."
And thoughts like all perception arise spontaneously un-bidden. Constantly ceaseless un-predictable?
Yes?
"chewing trying wrestling"
Look for a separate chewer trier wrestler.
Or does life simply happen and look like anything at all?
look for a controller. Now.
Nettie
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damon123jones
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- Joined: Fri Dec 20, 2013 5:49 am
Re: guide needed
hi nettie,
iam still here.
me is a thought process talking to thought about thought. . confused?
iam spending time noticing relaxing ,quietingrecalling what you wrote...... that lifes ising is going on
that any label, thought, idea ,is just that, where before it was I noticing thought. which is just more thought.
stumped into silence
damon xo
iam still here.
me is a thought process talking to thought about thought. . confused?
iam spending time noticing relaxing ,quietingrecalling what you wrote...... that lifes ising is going on
that any label, thought, idea ,is just that, where before it was I noticing thought. which is just more thought.
stumped into silence
damon xo
Re: guide needed
Dear Damon,
"me is a thought process talking to thought about thought. "
And there is no controller of this process...yes?
." confused?
iam spending time noticing relaxing ,quietingrecalling what you wrote...... that lifes ising is going on
that any label, thought, idea ,is just that, where before it was I noticing thought. which is just more thought."
Yes ...I is just more thought!
"stumped into silence"
The mind simply cannot grasp it because it is not a thing.
In fact the mind can only think about things....and in reality there are no separate things.
There is only a fleeting timeless flowing of what we call perception.
And no separate perceptions. The flowing cannot be stopped and one perception isolated.
No you to step outside of this flowing and change it or alter it or even look at it.
Is there a separate you?
Has there ever been a solid permanent stable thing called you?
Love,
Nettie
"me is a thought process talking to thought about thought. "
And there is no controller of this process...yes?
." confused?
iam spending time noticing relaxing ,quietingrecalling what you wrote...... that lifes ising is going on
that any label, thought, idea ,is just that, where before it was I noticing thought. which is just more thought."
Yes ...I is just more thought!
"stumped into silence"
The mind simply cannot grasp it because it is not a thing.
In fact the mind can only think about things....and in reality there are no separate things.
There is only a fleeting timeless flowing of what we call perception.
And no separate perceptions. The flowing cannot be stopped and one perception isolated.
No you to step outside of this flowing and change it or alter it or even look at it.
Is there a separate you?
Has there ever been a solid permanent stable thing called you?
Love,
Nettie
Re: guide needed
This is it
it's always it
never anything other
even ideas that there is something other is it
it is inescapable
no separate you to escape
everythings included.
There is nothing other than whatever it looks like
ever.
Even wanting something other is what it looks like.
There's just no separate thing that cannot be this flowing......
.....Feeling like there's a separate you.....
.....feeling like there is not.....
What could possibly not be all this?
What could be excluded...
Where would it go?
You say you don't get it?
What doesnt get it?
Is there a separate you who can get it? Who can capture or stop or hold a separate perception?
If there were a separate chooser you would choose to see this.
Life happens utterly spontaneously.....effortlessly ....
Without a you who can do a thing. And feeling like you can do something happens naturally....and feeling like you can't do something also arises totally without effort.
There is absolutely nothing you can do to get this.
So look for whats looking without all your ideas about what's supposed to be there.
It only takes a second to look
why put it off
there is only ever....
Not even now....
Utter honesty and intimacy is required here.
Intimate means not relying on hear-say....on others ideas or anything youve read about this.
I hear alot of really weird stuff sometimes....all learned ideas...
not truly looking...
Utter naked honesty
raw ....getting down and dirty with what is
what the hell is going on?????
Wow!
You are asking for a way to look
if i said a treasure was under your chair....you'd just look.
You wouldnt stand next to your chair and think about what the treasure might be....what you would buy with it.....
Yes?
It is simply indescribable
because words seem to divide this seamless flowing.......
Thats why abiguous words somehow evoke it
"emptiness overflowing....."
Love,
Nettie
it's always it
never anything other
even ideas that there is something other is it
it is inescapable
no separate you to escape
everythings included.
There is nothing other than whatever it looks like
ever.
Even wanting something other is what it looks like.
There's just no separate thing that cannot be this flowing......
.....Feeling like there's a separate you.....
.....feeling like there is not.....
What could possibly not be all this?
What could be excluded...
Where would it go?
You say you don't get it?
What doesnt get it?
Is there a separate you who can get it? Who can capture or stop or hold a separate perception?
If there were a separate chooser you would choose to see this.
Life happens utterly spontaneously.....effortlessly ....
Without a you who can do a thing. And feeling like you can do something happens naturally....and feeling like you can't do something also arises totally without effort.
There is absolutely nothing you can do to get this.
So look for whats looking without all your ideas about what's supposed to be there.
It only takes a second to look
why put it off
there is only ever....
Not even now....
Utter honesty and intimacy is required here.
Intimate means not relying on hear-say....on others ideas or anything youve read about this.
I hear alot of really weird stuff sometimes....all learned ideas...
not truly looking...
Utter naked honesty
raw ....getting down and dirty with what is
what the hell is going on?????
Wow!
You are asking for a way to look
if i said a treasure was under your chair....you'd just look.
You wouldnt stand next to your chair and think about what the treasure might be....what you would buy with it.....
Yes?
It is simply indescribable
because words seem to divide this seamless flowing.......
Thats why abiguous words somehow evoke it
"emptiness overflowing....."
Love,
Nettie
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damon123jones
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Re: guide needed
thank you nettie,
spending the moments reminding , looking again and again
arriving again from confusion into experiencing thought witnessing its own activity
and again the said witness is of thought. iam witnessing.
sitting in a bar alone uncomfortably singled out feeling
reminding that this too is included ,
that the thought iam watching this is the separator from just being directly .
i is in thought only and and sensation of the body confirming it to thought again.
walking around and around it, mind not willing to stop on a spot so as i could have a clear look
and see.
other than an instant
that i cant be found yet in the body other than the thoughts claiming
iam here this is me thinking.
like iam searching in a house of mirrors.
and whats looking is invisible
you are so great.
damon
spending the moments reminding , looking again and again
arriving again from confusion into experiencing thought witnessing its own activity
and again the said witness is of thought. iam witnessing.
sitting in a bar alone uncomfortably singled out feeling
reminding that this too is included ,
that the thought iam watching this is the separator from just being directly .
i is in thought only and and sensation of the body confirming it to thought again.
walking around and around it, mind not willing to stop on a spot so as i could have a clear look
and see.
other than an instant
that i cant be found yet in the body other than the thoughts claiming
iam here this is me thinking.
like iam searching in a house of mirrors.
and whats looking is invisible
you are so great.
damon
Re: guide needed
Dear Damon,
"spending the moments reminding , looking again and again
arriving again from confusion into experiencing thought witnessing its own activity
and again the said witness is of thought. "
Yes. You are thought. A set of fleeting insubstantial descriptions.
"I am witnessing.
sitting in a bar alone uncomfortably singled out feeling
reminding that this too is included ,
that the thought iam watching this is the separator from just being directly "
And every thought and emotion and the entire streaming of perception happens utterly spontaneously.
.
"i is in thought only and and sensation of the body confirming it to thought again."
Nice!
"walking around and around it, mind not willing to stop on a spot so as i could have a clear look
and see.
other than an instant
that i cant be found yet in the body other than the thoughts claiming
iam here this is me thinking.
like iam searching in a house of mirrors.
and whats looking is invisible"
How beautifully put!
So if you cannot find anything substantial when looked for ....there is probably nothing solid or stable or fixed when not looked for?
Is there a separate thinker?
Chooser?
A controller of life?
Was there ever one?
Much love,
Nettie
"spending the moments reminding , looking again and again
arriving again from confusion into experiencing thought witnessing its own activity
and again the said witness is of thought. "
Yes. You are thought. A set of fleeting insubstantial descriptions.
"I am witnessing.
sitting in a bar alone uncomfortably singled out feeling
reminding that this too is included ,
that the thought iam watching this is the separator from just being directly "
And every thought and emotion and the entire streaming of perception happens utterly spontaneously.
.
"i is in thought only and and sensation of the body confirming it to thought again."
Nice!
"walking around and around it, mind not willing to stop on a spot so as i could have a clear look
and see.
other than an instant
that i cant be found yet in the body other than the thoughts claiming
iam here this is me thinking.
like iam searching in a house of mirrors.
and whats looking is invisible"
How beautifully put!
So if you cannot find anything substantial when looked for ....there is probably nothing solid or stable or fixed when not looked for?
Is there a separate thinker?
Chooser?
A controller of life?
Was there ever one?
Much love,
Nettie
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damon123jones
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- Joined: Fri Dec 20, 2013 5:49 am
Re: guide needed
Is there a separate thinker?
Chooser?
A controller of life?
Was there ever one?
iam holding this today nettie till . . . .
no one here
not doing anything
thankyou for helping appearant me nettie
damon
Chooser?
A controller of life?
Was there ever one?
iam holding this today nettie till . . . .
no one here
not doing anything
thankyou for helping appearant me nettie
damon
Re: guide needed
Dear Damon,
"no one here
not doing anything."
Cool!
What does it feel like to see through the illusion of separation?
Give examples in your daily life.
Love
Nettie
"no one here
not doing anything."
Cool!
What does it feel like to see through the illusion of separation?
Give examples in your daily life.
Love
Nettie
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