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Lubo
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Re: Try again!

Postby Lubo » Wed May 12, 2021 6:40 am

Hi Gerd,
Look at the body. Where experience of the body happens? In the body?
If there wouldn’t be a body there wouldn’t be experience. So apparently experience happens in the body.
When you dream, does the body in the dream dreaming?
There is existence/life happening. Does the body experience existence or there is just existence, in this very moment?

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Re: Try again!

Postby Gerd » Wed May 12, 2021 10:06 pm

Hi Lubo,
When you dream, does the body in the dream dreaming?
A certain part of the body is dreaming.
There is existence/life happening. Does the body experience existence or there is just existence, in this very moment?
There is just existence.

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Gerd

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Re: Try again!

Postby Lubo » Thu May 13, 2021 5:55 am

Hi Gerd,
When you dream, does the body in the dream dreaming?
A certain part of the body is dreaming.
Look again the question - does the body IN the dream dreaming?
There is existence/life happening. Does the body experience existence or there is just existence, in this very moment?
There is just existence
.
Wonderful. So, the body doesn't experience existence, there is just existence. What is it to find this?
Is there someone who exist or there is only existence?

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Re: Try again!

Postby Gerd » Thu May 13, 2021 11:12 pm

Hi Lubo,
Look again the question - does the body IN the dream dreaming?
If there is the body in the dream, it is most likely that the body is not dreaming.
So, the body doesn't experience existence, there is just existence. What is it to find this?
If existence cannot be experienced the question is, if existence is a thought?
Is there someone who exist or there is only existence?
There is only existence.

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Gerd

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Re: Try again!

Postby Lubo » Fri May 14, 2021 6:00 am

Hi Gerd,
Look again the question - does the body IN the dream dreaming?
If there is the body in the dream, it is most likely that the body is not dreaming.
You use words "if", "it is most likely" . Why? Aren't you sure?
Look at the body. What is noticed, does the body experience existence, does the body knows that there is a wall, room,,,?
Or the body iIS existence? like every thing.
So, the body doesn't experience existence, there is just existence. What is it to find this?
If existence cannot be experienced the question is, if existence is a thought?
The question is - Are there two things, existence and experience of existence?

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Re: Try again!

Postby Gerd » Fri May 14, 2021 11:30 pm

Hi Lubo,
Look at the body. What is noticed, does the body experience existence,
Yes, the body experiences existence. If there wouldn’t be the experience of existence, existence would be a thought.
does the body knows that there is a wall, room,,,?
Yes through experience (seeing, feeling) the body knows there is a wall (label).
Or the body iIS existence? like every thing.
Yes, the body is existence like everything.
The question is - Are there two things, existence and experience of existence?
Yes, there are both things, existence and the experience of existence.

Thank You
Gerd

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Re: Try again!

Postby Lubo » Sat May 15, 2021 5:41 pm

Hi Gerd,
Look at the body. What is noticed, does the body experience existence,
Yes, the body experiences existence. If there wouldn’t be the experience of existence, existence would be a thought.
Look at the body:
- where in the body the body is experienced
- Is it the body that experiences, or is the body, too, experienced?

Yes, there are both things, existence and the experience of existence.
where is one thing and where is the other thing?
What can be this that is separate from existence? Can something which does not exist to exist?


"If there wouldn’t be the experience of existence, existence would be a thought." - is this an observation or a suggestion?


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Re: Try again!

Postby Gerd » Sun May 16, 2021 12:12 am

Hi Lubo,
where in the body the body is experienced
Colour/seeing is experienced with the eyes. Feeling/touching is experienced e.g. with the hands.
Is it the body that experiences, or is the body, too, experienced?
It is both, the body experiences and the body is experienced.
Yes, there are both things, existence and the experience of existence.
where is one thing and where is the other thing?
Existence is everywhere and experience of existence is in the body.
What can be this that is separate from existence? Can something which does not exist to exist?
Ok. I understand, everything is existence.
"If there wouldn’t be the experience of existence, existence would be a thought." - is this an observation or a suggestion?
It is a suggestion.

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Gerd

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Re: Try again!

Postby Lubo » Mon May 17, 2021 6:22 am

Hi Gerd,
There is strong belief that you are the body.
Please be very precise and vigilant, don't believe any thoughts.
where in the body the body is experienced
Colour/seeing is experienced with the eyes. Feeling/touching is experienced e.g. with the hands
.
The question is WHERE? Do eyes experience colour?
Where colour is experienced?
Existence is everywhere and experience of existence is in the body.

Notice this: experience of existence is in the body or experience of the body is existence?
The body experience existence or there is an experience of the body ?

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Re: Try again!

Postby Gerd » Mon May 17, 2021 11:11 pm

Hi Lubo,
The question is WHERE? Do eyes experience colour?
Where colour is experienced?
No, eyes don’t experience colour. Colour cannot be experienced outside of the body, so it has to be experienced in the body. When I look at the body, colour is not experienced in the feet, in the legs, in the arms….. So the experience seems to be somewhere in the head, in the mind.
Notice this: experience of existence is in the body or experience of the body is existence?
The body experience existence or there is an experience of the body ?
Ok., experience of the body is existence. So the experience is existence, body is existence and what is experienced (colour, sound…) is existence?

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Gerd

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Re: Try again!

Postby Lubo » Tue May 18, 2021 7:00 am

Hi Gerd,
Thank you for the reply.
So the experience seems to be somewhere in the head, in the mind.
Is this your experience or this is knowing, information?
How mind is experienced?
Can it be touched, smelled, tested, seen...?

.
Ok, experience of the body is existence.
Notice, experience of the body is : existence of the body or existence of the experience?
what is experienced (colour, sound…) is existence
existence of what?
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Re: Try again!

Postby Gerd » Tue May 18, 2021 8:38 pm

Hi Lubo,
Is this your experience or this is knowing, information?
This is knowing, information.
How mind is experienced?
Can it be touched, smelled, tested, seen...?
Ok., mind cannot be experienced. Cannot be touched, smelled…. So, there is still the question ‘where colour is experienced’: it cannot be said where colour is experienced…. There is only the experience of colour.
Notice, experience of the body is : existence of the body or existence of the experience?
Experience of the body is the existence of the experience.
existence of what?
Existence of the experience of colour, sound….

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Gerd

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Re: Try again!

Postby Lubo » Wed May 19, 2021 7:22 am

Excellent!
So, there is still the question ‘where colour is experienced’: it cannot be said where colour is experienced…. There is only the experience of colour.
Exactly! Notice - are there two different things colour and experience of a colour?
Can you find something that is not the experience only?
Experience of the body is the existence of the experience.
Notice are there two things 1. existence and 2. experience ?

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Re: Try again!

Postby Gerd » Wed May 19, 2021 9:26 pm

Hi Lubo,
Exactly! Notice - are there two different things colour and experience of a colour?
Ok., colour and experience of colour is the same. Or there is only experience of colour.
Can you find something that is not the experience only?
There is only experience.
Notice are there two things 1. existence and 2. experience ?
Existence and experience are the same thing. All there is existing is experience.

Lubo, I'll be out of town until saturday. So my next answer will be on saturday or (if I'm late) on sunday.

Thank You
Gerd

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Re: Try again!

Postby Lubo » Thu May 20, 2021 7:10 am

Hi Gerd,
Wonderfull!
So, does a body exist or there are experiences of colours and sensations ?
Is there an experience of experiencer?
Or Exist-er? :)
Or there is just existence, just experiences?

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