Hi Deb, just say hello back and then we can get started!
Welcome!
Lisa
Here for no self, DEB
Here for no self, DEB
Unleash yourself. Look, and look again. No self to unleash.
Re: Here for no self, DEB
Hi Deb, you made it!
OK.. look at some of the conversations posted in 'Liberations', and then get back to me with responses to these 3 things: Tell me a bit about your background, why you are interested in what we do here, and your expectations around the recognition of 'no self'.
And we're off!
Lisa
and it's OK to call me that here.. :)))
OK.. look at some of the conversations posted in 'Liberations', and then get back to me with responses to these 3 things: Tell me a bit about your background, why you are interested in what we do here, and your expectations around the recognition of 'no self'.
And we're off!
Lisa
and it's OK to call me that here.. :)))
Unleash yourself. Look, and look again. No self to unleash.
Re: Here for no self, DEB
Hey Lisa,
Background: In the 3rd grade had a "moment" when I reaized there was more than I was seeing, wondered what I was doing "here" in this body, place, it did not feel right. Formal education seemed like a conditioned sheeple mind trap.
I have read and an interest in "spiritual seeking" for quite some time. AGES!
Read: Nisargardatta-I am that, JD Krishnamurti, eckart tolle, Yoga sutras
Videos: Mooji, Adyashanti, Benjamin Smythe, Tony Parsons, Conscious TV guests, Richard Miller's Never Not Here, etc
In 2005 on my own at night, asked myself who am I, where am I and immediately a roll of energy rolled over my body in circular patters, not in it but over it and it frightened me when it got to my neck and I screamed for it to stop, it frightened me. I would have dreams of becoming a human tobaggon then ejected to standing at an elevator door. The circular energies over my body has again happened in the last 2 yrs about 6 times, each time I get frightened, the last time I was lying on my bed and it started, I had been meditating, I saw my body from above and also felt "myself" in the body, I tried to move and could not. A voice then asked me "Debbie, what are you going to do with your powers?" Dumbfounded, bewildered and not wanting to come from ego I answered questioningly, Uh, heal people?" all the time thinking what the hec is he talking about? The male voice chuckled and said, "oh you will do that and much much more." End of that! I have experienced moments of oneness, bliss, expansion andhow the conditioning has limited our expansiveness. Extreme LOVE! Incredible love! I am having intense kundalini energies that stop my brain from functioning (can't be a bad thing I guess) but it has interferred with this so called life. Difficult to work, do things. I think it may be the fear of waking up, (village idiot) as times I had no clue what any thing meant, I became the road driving on the freeway, confused, disoriented. Ego fought to get back to safe land to support herself...Imaginary debbie. Even now, it is hard to come up with words and express as the energy in this head is intense and loud!!!!
I am interested because I have lost the ego identity on various occasions and realize all we see, hear, do and say is not the absolute truth, there is more, it was home. To realize that Debbie is not real but a bundle of conditions, thoughts and beliefs was a wonderful experience of freedom, free expression. I feel "Debbie" stifles this freedom expression very much. I feel as if I am living in an invisible bubble of stifling.
I have lost interest in most everything...no motivation, no desire...
My expectations are to realize my true self in abiding awakening. The "story" of Debbie to end, not for powers but for the truth of freedom from the game! For the thoughts and beliefs in them from taking over this system.
Thank you,
Deb
Background: In the 3rd grade had a "moment" when I reaized there was more than I was seeing, wondered what I was doing "here" in this body, place, it did not feel right. Formal education seemed like a conditioned sheeple mind trap.
I have read and an interest in "spiritual seeking" for quite some time. AGES!
Read: Nisargardatta-I am that, JD Krishnamurti, eckart tolle, Yoga sutras
Videos: Mooji, Adyashanti, Benjamin Smythe, Tony Parsons, Conscious TV guests, Richard Miller's Never Not Here, etc
In 2005 on my own at night, asked myself who am I, where am I and immediately a roll of energy rolled over my body in circular patters, not in it but over it and it frightened me when it got to my neck and I screamed for it to stop, it frightened me. I would have dreams of becoming a human tobaggon then ejected to standing at an elevator door. The circular energies over my body has again happened in the last 2 yrs about 6 times, each time I get frightened, the last time I was lying on my bed and it started, I had been meditating, I saw my body from above and also felt "myself" in the body, I tried to move and could not. A voice then asked me "Debbie, what are you going to do with your powers?" Dumbfounded, bewildered and not wanting to come from ego I answered questioningly, Uh, heal people?" all the time thinking what the hec is he talking about? The male voice chuckled and said, "oh you will do that and much much more." End of that! I have experienced moments of oneness, bliss, expansion andhow the conditioning has limited our expansiveness. Extreme LOVE! Incredible love! I am having intense kundalini energies that stop my brain from functioning (can't be a bad thing I guess) but it has interferred with this so called life. Difficult to work, do things. I think it may be the fear of waking up, (village idiot) as times I had no clue what any thing meant, I became the road driving on the freeway, confused, disoriented. Ego fought to get back to safe land to support herself...Imaginary debbie. Even now, it is hard to come up with words and express as the energy in this head is intense and loud!!!!
I am interested because I have lost the ego identity on various occasions and realize all we see, hear, do and say is not the absolute truth, there is more, it was home. To realize that Debbie is not real but a bundle of conditions, thoughts and beliefs was a wonderful experience of freedom, free expression. I feel "Debbie" stifles this freedom expression very much. I feel as if I am living in an invisible bubble of stifling.
I have lost interest in most everything...no motivation, no desire...
My expectations are to realize my true self in abiding awakening. The "story" of Debbie to end, not for powers but for the truth of freedom from the game! For the thoughts and beliefs in them from taking over this system.
Thank you,
Deb
Re: Here for no self, DEB
Hi Deb... thanks for all the information. You've had a lot going on!
For now, please set aside what you've learned about any of this. It can get in the way. So, for the time being no more books, videos, etc. What we do here is not about thinking, or spirituality, or becoming anything. It's about looking, really looking, at the idea of 'I'. This is a total inside job here. Only you can look. Only you will recognize what you find or do not find.
It would also be helpful to set aside your expectations of what will be with realization of no self. They, too, can get in the way, as it cannot be known what it will be like until the time comes. You might wait for a certain experience to tell you that no 'me' exists, and if it does not come, you might not realize you are already there!
OK.. 2 more things: Will you commit to 100% honesty here? And to posting at least once a day?
If yes, then here's what I'd like to know about next:
What happens, how do you feel, when I say: There is no true self. There is no self, no 'I' at all.
And you are welcome... :))
Lisa
For now, please set aside what you've learned about any of this. It can get in the way. So, for the time being no more books, videos, etc. What we do here is not about thinking, or spirituality, or becoming anything. It's about looking, really looking, at the idea of 'I'. This is a total inside job here. Only you can look. Only you will recognize what you find or do not find.
It would also be helpful to set aside your expectations of what will be with realization of no self. They, too, can get in the way, as it cannot be known what it will be like until the time comes. You might wait for a certain experience to tell you that no 'me' exists, and if it does not come, you might not realize you are already there!
OK.. 2 more things: Will you commit to 100% honesty here? And to posting at least once a day?
If yes, then here's what I'd like to know about next:
What happens, how do you feel, when I say: There is no true self. There is no self, no 'I' at all.
And you are welcome... :))
Lisa
Unleash yourself. Look, and look again. No self to unleash.
Re: Here for no self, DEB
100% Honesty
YES will post once a day
Relief, infinite nothingness, Space, joy, heart seems to ripple out waves of love, actual feeling, Body smiles at this recognition of nothingness.
YES will post once a day
Relief, infinite nothingness, Space, joy, heart seems to ripple out waves of love, actual feeling, Body smiles at this recognition of nothingness.
Re: Here for no self, DEB
Good, Deb... we are now seeing you are not afraid of having no self!
OK.. tell me about self, 'I', 'me'. Does it exist? Where? What happens when you look around for it?
OK.. tell me about self, 'I', 'me'. Does it exist? Where? What happens when you look around for it?
Unleash yourself. Look, and look again. No self to unleash.
Re: Here for no self, DEB
"we are now seeing you are not afraid of having no self"
Well, that can be a slippery slope, sitting here contemplating it, yes something senses that, feels that. On the other hand, today, earlier I had a real "beat up Debbie Day" like is this all your life has amounted to? I hate my 2 pt jobs, I have lost my desire to paint. AND, the times when "this disoriented feeling" comes over me unexpectedly and I lose control of my mental faculties so to speak. BUT, fear does not come in when I wake and it is already there in love bliss mode. It seemed to have bypassed ego gate. Teeter totter
I, me is a conglomeration of thoughts, conditioning, beliefs in the thoughts. But she is a story, suffering happens when she believes these thoughts. She is a projection of thoughts and stories, reactions in believing of this. She is a thought form and in knowing this still, she suffers, the ego is strong and takes over, fear arises in the body.
Well, that can be a slippery slope, sitting here contemplating it, yes something senses that, feels that. On the other hand, today, earlier I had a real "beat up Debbie Day" like is this all your life has amounted to? I hate my 2 pt jobs, I have lost my desire to paint. AND, the times when "this disoriented feeling" comes over me unexpectedly and I lose control of my mental faculties so to speak. BUT, fear does not come in when I wake and it is already there in love bliss mode. It seemed to have bypassed ego gate. Teeter totter
I, me is a conglomeration of thoughts, conditioning, beliefs in the thoughts. But she is a story, suffering happens when she believes these thoughts. She is a projection of thoughts and stories, reactions in believing of this. She is a thought form and in knowing this still, she suffers, the ego is strong and takes over, fear arises in the body.
Re: Here for no self, DEB
I am very tired now and the K is strong, losing ability to concentrate. Tomorrow and thank you so much for your time.
Re: Here for no self, DEB
See you then, Deb.
Love,
Lisa
Love,
Lisa
Unleash yourself. Look, and look again. No self to unleash.
Re: Here for no self, DEB
Sitting..watching, hearing, arms brushing teeth, shower turned on, electric current from tail bone to head, peace. Some thoughts get more attention than others or get 5 star service...sometimes no thoughts but feelings of angst in the solar plex, let go of the description of angst, feeling in solar plex. No desire and dreading going into todays job, tedious, boring.. floating on a cloud of peace, don't want it disturbed, grace wooing grace. legs crossed and foot wrapped around ankle, who did that? When did that happen?
dread as I start to turn off computer to get ready for work....not what I am supposed to do (the work) that's is what the thought said anyway!! Heart does too!
dread as I start to turn off computer to get ready for work....not what I am supposed to do (the work) that's is what the thought said anyway!! Heart does too!
Re: Here for no self, DEB
Hi Deb,
You wrote:
This becomes real to us when we look at the feeling and trace it back to the thought that spawned it. Here, you say it is ego taking over. Can you see that it is thought, the conglomeration of which we label ego? By seeing this you empower yourself to dissipate it. When we think of ego it is all to easy to feel disempowered, as we consider it to be the all powerful thing here. It is nothing but thoughts, and we can look at those one by one if needed.
Do you see this, Deb?
The above connects seamlessly with another thing you said:
Let me know if you see this Deb.
And also please answer this question: From where do your thoughts come? Look closely. Report back.
OK, 3 'assignments'. I eagerly await your reply!
Lisa
You wrote:
So there is still fear. This is very good to recognize. Fear shows us where we are clinging to thoughts that are ruling us, telling us lies that we believe. The presence of fear, dread or any other feeling/sensation means only that it is present. Nothing more.the ego is strong and takes over, fear arises in the body.
This becomes real to us when we look at the feeling and trace it back to the thought that spawned it. Here, you say it is ego taking over. Can you see that it is thought, the conglomeration of which we label ego? By seeing this you empower yourself to dissipate it. When we think of ego it is all to easy to feel disempowered, as we consider it to be the all powerful thing here. It is nothing but thoughts, and we can look at those one by one if needed.
Do you see this, Deb?
The above connects seamlessly with another thing you said:
I am understanding that you experience your 'self' as a thought, yet that thought continues to suffer. Can you see that if attention goes to the thoughts that are generating the fear, dread, etc. that the energy in the attention brings those thoughts into a 'live and real' experience? That they seem true? This is what is meant by 'clinging to thought'. Ponder this deeply.She is a thought form and in knowing this still, she suffers,
Let me know if you see this Deb.
And also please answer this question: From where do your thoughts come? Look closely. Report back.
OK, 3 'assignments'. I eagerly await your reply!
Lisa
Unleash yourself. Look, and look again. No self to unleash.
Re: Here for no self, DEB
Hi Lisa,
OK, am having some brain disorientation buzz with K now but will do my utmost focus as I can.
OK, am having some brain disorientation buzz with K now but will do my utmost focus as I can.
Yes, I see this, the thoughts create the sensations.The presence of fear, dread or any other feeling/sensation means only that it is present. Nothing more.
Oh, yes, very clear, now that I see it in black and white!I am understanding that you experience your 'self' as a thought, yet that thought continues to suffer. Can you see that if attention goes to the thoughts that are generating the fear, dread, etc. that the energy in the attention brings those thoughts into a 'live and real' experience? That they seem true? This is what is meant by 'clinging to thought'. Ponder this deeply.
They appear out of no where, popping in and out of no place, some come from conditioning the "story" from some invisible file cabinet of prior experience. They float through like clouds in the sky unless of course I "cling" to them.And also please answer this question: From where do your thoughts come? Look closely. Report back.
Re: Here for no self, DEB
Hi again Deb, and Great! Good to have some clarity on those pesky fears and dreads, hmm?
Keep holding those nice realizations about the source of thoughts. That's all key information.
You said:
You also said:
And you said:
Who/what is SHE?
The answers to these will shed considerable light on what's happening, Deb.
Lisa
Keep holding those nice realizations about the source of thoughts. That's all key information.
You said:
If "I, me is a conglomeration" of these, then who/what generates the believing of the 'beliefs in the thoughts' here?I, me is a conglomeration of thoughts, conditioning, beliefs in the thoughts.
You also said:
If 'she' is a story, how does 'she believes these thoughts' happen? Who/what is believing thoughts?she is a story, suffering happens when she believes these thoughts.
And you said:
Again, how does a projection of thoughts and stores 'know' something? Who/what is knowing something?She is a projection of thoughts and stories, She is a thought form and in knowing this...
Who/what is SHE?
The answers to these will shed considerable light on what's happening, Deb.
Lisa
Unleash yourself. Look, and look again. No self to unleash.
Re: Here for no self, DEB
Hi Lisa,
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THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU...Although who is really thanking you? Clarity?
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA! Laughter! Phantom thought woman! LOL....If "I, me is a conglomeration" of these, then who/what generates the believing of the 'beliefs in the thoughts' here?
More laughter, dumbfounded, so HAPPY! Amazing, a thought of a thought has been believing only thoughts and they aren't anything but thoughts...OMG! A drama - comedy all made up, a fictious movie "thought" to be real!If 'she' is a story, how does 'she believes these thoughts' happen? Who/what is believing thoughts?
.
Again, more laughter, and again phantom thought woman....FABULOUS! How ridiculous! A false thought made up phenomena thinking it was real!Again, how does a projection of thoughts and stores 'know' something? Who/what is knowing something?
Who/what is SHE?
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU...Although who is really thanking you? Clarity?
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