Final questions?
Love,
Nettie
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oh sure...
Here are the final questions:
1)Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
2)Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
3)How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
4)What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
5)Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do you make anything happen? Give examples from your experience.
6)Anything to add?
Here are the final questions:
1)Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
2)Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
3)How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
4)What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
5)Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do you make anything happen? Give examples from your experience.
6)Anything to add?
Re: guide
Sorry, I had replied on the 27th but again I must have deleted it as it is not to be seen.
I have tried to answer the final questions several times and was not able so I would say I am not ready to do that yet.
Having a rough time with all that is happening here. Need more couching to move through this, if you would be so kind.
Love,
Tina
I have tried to answer the final questions several times and was not able so I would say I am not ready to do that yet.
Having a rough time with all that is happening here. Need more couching to move through this, if you would be so kind.
Love,
Tina
Re: guide
Dear Tina,
Time is irrelevant... We just continue to chat until you are ready to answer the questions.
So you have seen through the illusion of separation...
Yet perhaps you have doubts?
Notice that doubts like all perceptions arise spontaneously without you having to do anything.
And they are simultaneously recognized ....again without any effort.... And are naturally labeled by the objectifying mind...calling it doubt. And perhaps good or bad... Etc.
Notice that like all inseparable perceptions there is nothing you can do to change or re-arrange the current perception.
There is no you who can step outside of this seamless uncompounded timeless unitary flow and somehow manipulate it in any way.
No controller no thinker... No conductor of your life....
Simply life happening...
Love,
Nettie
Time is irrelevant... We just continue to chat until you are ready to answer the questions.
So you have seen through the illusion of separation...
Yet perhaps you have doubts?
Notice that doubts like all perceptions arise spontaneously without you having to do anything.
And they are simultaneously recognized ....again without any effort.... And are naturally labeled by the objectifying mind...calling it doubt. And perhaps good or bad... Etc.
Notice that like all inseparable perceptions there is nothing you can do to change or re-arrange the current perception.
There is no you who can step outside of this seamless uncompounded timeless unitary flow and somehow manipulate it in any way.
No controller no thinker... No conductor of your life....
Simply life happening...
Love,
Nettie
Re: guide
So you have seen through the illusion of separation...
Yet perhaps you have doubts? Yes, I would say I have huge doubts and alot of fear of the unknown, I am guessing.
Notice that doubts like all perceptions arise spontaneously without you having to do anything.
And they are simultaneously recognized ....again without any effort.... And are naturally labeled by the objectifying mind...calling it doubt. And perhaps good or bad... Etc.
Notice that like all inseparable perceptions there is nothing you can do to change or re-arrange the current perception.
Yes, I see this very clearly, that perceptions arise spontaneously without me having to do anything and yes, I agree there is nothing I can do to change or re-arrange the current perception. I know this but I still get caught up in situations and this particular one has hauled me under.
There is no you who can step outside of this seamless uncompounded timeless unitary flow and somehow manipulate it in any way. But, I would like to manipulate it to help the other heal, I feel helpless.
No controller no thinker... No conductor of your life....
Simply life happening...
yes, I see that life is simply happening and there is nothing I can do but I still want to try.
Love,
Heal
Yet perhaps you have doubts? Yes, I would say I have huge doubts and alot of fear of the unknown, I am guessing.
Notice that doubts like all perceptions arise spontaneously without you having to do anything.
And they are simultaneously recognized ....again without any effort.... And are naturally labeled by the objectifying mind...calling it doubt. And perhaps good or bad... Etc.
Notice that like all inseparable perceptions there is nothing you can do to change or re-arrange the current perception.
Yes, I see this very clearly, that perceptions arise spontaneously without me having to do anything and yes, I agree there is nothing I can do to change or re-arrange the current perception. I know this but I still get caught up in situations and this particular one has hauled me under.
There is no you who can step outside of this seamless uncompounded timeless unitary flow and somehow manipulate it in any way. But, I would like to manipulate it to help the other heal, I feel helpless.
No controller no thinker... No conductor of your life....
Simply life happening...
yes, I see that life is simply happening and there is nothing I can do but I still want to try.
Love,
Heal
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Dear Heal,
"Yes, I see this very clearly, that perceptions arise spontaneously without me having to do anything and yes, I agree there is nothing I can do to change or re-arrange the current perception. I know this but I still get caught up in situations and this particular one has hauled me under."
And notice getting caught in the story and not getting caught in the story happen without you deciding what happens... And notice that your wanting something different also occurs effortlessly. There is no you who can choose.
"There is no you who can step outside of this seamless uncompounded timeless unitary flow and somehow manipulate it in any way. But, I would like to manipulate it to help the other heal, I feel helpless."
You are helpless. And there is no you who can choose not to feel helpless....feel it fully. You are helpless...and there is no meaning.
No controller no thinker... No conductor of your life....
Simply life happening...
"yes, I see that life is simply happening and there is nothing I can do but I still want to try.""
And isn't it marvelous that all this is happening?
Wanting to help to try or not... Totally effortlessly happening.
We don't lose the self... We see it is a beautiful story... And know it is nothing but fleeting description...
Yet live as that description at the same time....and it seems that life is more intense ...we are raw and naked and feel like never before.
I love you,
Nettie
"Yes, I see this very clearly, that perceptions arise spontaneously without me having to do anything and yes, I agree there is nothing I can do to change or re-arrange the current perception. I know this but I still get caught up in situations and this particular one has hauled me under."
And notice getting caught in the story and not getting caught in the story happen without you deciding what happens... And notice that your wanting something different also occurs effortlessly. There is no you who can choose.
"There is no you who can step outside of this seamless uncompounded timeless unitary flow and somehow manipulate it in any way. But, I would like to manipulate it to help the other heal, I feel helpless."
You are helpless. And there is no you who can choose not to feel helpless....feel it fully. You are helpless...and there is no meaning.
No controller no thinker... No conductor of your life....
Simply life happening...
"yes, I see that life is simply happening and there is nothing I can do but I still want to try.""
And isn't it marvelous that all this is happening?
Wanting to help to try or not... Totally effortlessly happening.
We don't lose the self... We see it is a beautiful story... And know it is nothing but fleeting description...
Yet live as that description at the same time....and it seems that life is more intense ...we are raw and naked and feel like never before.
I love you,
Nettie
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And notice getting caught in the story and not getting caught in the story happen without you deciding what happens... And notice that your wanting something different also occurs effortlessly.
There is no you who can choose.
I understand that I don't choose or not choose what takes place and how I react to the situation but I see all these people, me included so how can I see there is no me, when everything appears in front of me. When I close my eyes there is nothing and open them again everything appears again. Don't understand this!
We don't lose the self... We see it is a beautiful story... And know it is nothing but fleeting description...
Yet live as that description at the same time....and it seems that life is more intense ...we are raw and naked and feel like never before.
Yes, I feel life much more intense, raw and naked like never before, so much more love and compassion, the heart is has blown wide open and feels everything and very painful at times with sadness and joy (they both feel the same).
Love you,
Heal
There is no you who can choose.
I understand that I don't choose or not choose what takes place and how I react to the situation but I see all these people, me included so how can I see there is no me, when everything appears in front of me. When I close my eyes there is nothing and open them again everything appears again. Don't understand this!
We don't lose the self... We see it is a beautiful story... And know it is nothing but fleeting description...
Yet live as that description at the same time....and it seems that life is more intense ...we are raw and naked and feel like never before.
Yes, I feel life much more intense, raw and naked like never before, so much more love and compassion, the heart is has blown wide open and feels everything and very painful at times with sadness and joy (they both feel the same).
Love you,
Heal
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Dear Heal,
"I understand that I don't choose or not choose what takes place and how I react to the situation but I see all these people, me included so how can I see there is no me, when everything appears in front of me. When I close my eyes there is nothing and open them again everything appears again. Don't understand this!"
So the body exists. Can you see that perceptions from 'outside' the body .... Sights sounds ....appear equally and evenly as perceptions from 'inside' the body... Like hunger headache thoughts emotions.
All spontaneously arising without you doing anything.... Then the objectifying mind labels them as sights sounds hunger thoughts ....all equally ...all effortlessly happening...
Inside outside...Good and bad ...more labels...and no you who can change or re-arrange any of it?
"Yes, I feel life much more intense, raw and naked like never before, so much more love and compassion, the heart is has blown wide open and feels everything and very painful at times with sadness and joy (they both feel the same)."
Yes! How beautiful!
When the self is seen to be a set of fleeting description it doesn't go away... And life becomes personal and impersonal at the same time...
So can you find anything permanent or stable or fixed in any way?
Love you,
Nettie
"I understand that I don't choose or not choose what takes place and how I react to the situation but I see all these people, me included so how can I see there is no me, when everything appears in front of me. When I close my eyes there is nothing and open them again everything appears again. Don't understand this!"
So the body exists. Can you see that perceptions from 'outside' the body .... Sights sounds ....appear equally and evenly as perceptions from 'inside' the body... Like hunger headache thoughts emotions.
All spontaneously arising without you doing anything.... Then the objectifying mind labels them as sights sounds hunger thoughts ....all equally ...all effortlessly happening...
Inside outside...Good and bad ...more labels...and no you who can change or re-arrange any of it?
"Yes, I feel life much more intense, raw and naked like never before, so much more love and compassion, the heart is has blown wide open and feels everything and very painful at times with sadness and joy (they both feel the same)."
Yes! How beautiful!
When the self is seen to be a set of fleeting description it doesn't go away... And life becomes personal and impersonal at the same time...
So can you find anything permanent or stable or fixed in any way?
Love you,
Nettie
Re: guide
So can you find anything permanent or stable or fixed in any way?
There is no thing that is permanent or stable of fixed in any way.
There is oneness that is always here that never comes and goes that just is . This is very hard to put into words exactly what is.
Love you,
Heal
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There is no thing that is permanent or stable of fixed in any way.
There is oneness that is always here that never comes and goes that just is . This is very hard to put into words exactly what is.
Love you,
Heal
Posts: 319
Joined: December 21st, 2012, 1:37 pm
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