Ok, so, let's get the party started...

[helio]

Ok guides... so, who is willing to guide this poor lost sense of awareness?

[richardcooper2k]

Hello Helio (should i call you Helio)

Welcome to the forum !

Could you say a little about why you are here ?
And what you want from this ?
And what your understanding of the process here is ?

Thanks

Richard

[richardcooper2k]

And could you say something about where you are with this and your journey so far

[helio]

Sure,

I am here to understand.
There is nothing really I want, other than understanding.
The process is chatting.

There was, what some people call "a shift in perspective" several years ago, and clarity has evolved ever since.

The shift provided the realization of a process that started before the Big Bang, and has continued to evolve ever since. This process created systems that are all related, and together they form one system. This universal system also created LIFE, and it is contained in all life forms on this planet. The LIFE forms all have two things in common, their DNA and an environment, although obviously the environment is different for each one. However these two variables dictates everything about the organism, including every thought, every sense, every perception, awareness and interpretation of any stimuli. One could say, biological robots. All a product of the process.

However, in the case of humans, the meaning given to memories and the linking of these memories, creates a story and an identity that believes to be a self separate from this system. However, this is not accurate. the identity is just an illusion, since a human can be and live without this identity.

Yet, when the identity is eliminated, something remains and is called by different names; LIFE, awareness... etc. Some people believe they are this awareness, or that this awareness is all there is. Consequently, they claim that there is "no one" and everything simply arises in this awareness. The interesting part is that while they claim that they know awareness is all there is, their imagined identity continues to believes it controls their imagined life. So it seems that they understand intellectually what they claim, but in reality, they live life through their identity and have not actually experienced a "shift".

In addition, awareness is just a phenomena created by the process, but is simply a mirage. Awareness is a product of the the senses, which are a product of this process, but it is not an accurate perception of the environment because the senses only interpret the environment. An example would be the colors one sees; the colors are a reflection of the light not absorbed by the object, however this can changes. In another instance, the way some organisms perceive the same world is completely different, take for instance a bat, or a fly. Their awareness of the world is completely different than our awareness, which ultimately points to the illusion awareness is. Consequently, how humans perceive the world is not really how it is, but humans believe that what they perceive is accurate.

While this explanation seems theoretical, it is what is experienced. This force (for lack of a better word) that started BEFORE the Big Bang continues to created, to evolve, and everything is an manifestation of this force. That is all there is, and humans are just biological robots that do what they were designed to do. Consequently, everything that will happen is predetermined by this force, and because of LIFE, humans and all other organisms can witness, in their own way, the continued evolution of this universal system.

Naturally you can see that there is no individual self, and all there is, IS, nothing more, nothing less.

[richardcooper2k]

This force you mention sounds similar to the bodichitta in Buddhism or what Andrew Cohen calls the authentic self.
I expect there are correlates in other traditions to this universal movement/energy

Can you describe how you notice it on a day to day basis, how you are an expression of it ?
How do you notice it is this that is being expressed ?
Please keep your description to how it experienced in the moment rather than any effects noticed over time

[helio]

Hello Richard,

I am not familiar with the popular teachings, nor has there been any previous teachers followed.

The experience is simple. Looking around systems become apparent. The wind blows and sways the tree, which causes the leaf to detach and fall through the air, which supports the flight of the bird flying by. While the rays from the Sun filter through moisture in the air, separating the light into the primary colors, which are reflected on the window. The same system can be seen throughout the planet. The hydrological cycle or the atmospheric cycle, which has an influence on wind patterns, and these influence the ocean currents, which cause the regional temperatures and are essential to the survival life on the planet. All these systems are interrelated.

The same system is evident in the body; running causes the release of heat, which triggers the sweat glands to increase the production of sweat to cool the body. This process creates a sense of thirst in order to replenish the water in the system, so that the organs continue to function. Once the energy stored in the body is reduced, a sensation of hunger surfaces. Looking at the body in the mirror, some characteristics of the parents is obvious. Parent's who have characteristics of their parents, and on it goes to the beginning of time, all linked through the successful transmission of DNA traits that helped the organism survive. However, it is obvious that the environment together with DNA determines any organism's function. The thoughts that come up are seen as a product of the brain, which unique's composition was also dictated by DNA and influenced by the environment.

Ultimately, it is all seen as a movie of life, but a movie that, while it appears to be seen by "someone" it is experienced by the same process that created it. It all is just happening. A flow of this evolutionary process, without an individual self, since it is just a system within a system related to all other systems in the universe.

I heard the second link you send, and I understand the premisses on which he based his argument, however, while what I am talking about seems similar to "evolutionary enlightenment" -which by the way it is the first time hear of it, but does seem to be a good name for it- there is a big difference; It is obvious that the flow of evolution created everything, and therefore, everything has the same beginning. Nothing appears nor disappears, it only changes form, and ultimately the whole remains the same. Nothing is separate from this force. The force is the only thing that is, and continues to change and create.

While some of this is speculation, the rest is clearly seen and experienced.

Cheers

[richardcooper2k]

Ultimately, it is all seen as a movie of life, but a movie that, while it appears to be seen by "someone" it is experienced by the same process that created it. It all is just happening. A flow of this evolutionary process, without an individual self, since it is just a system within a system related to all other systems in the universe.

I heard the second link you send, and I understand the premisses on which he based his argument, however, while what I am talking about seems similar to "evolutionary enlightenment" -which by the way it is the first time hear of it, but does seem to be a good name for it- there is a big difference; It is obvious that the flow of evolution created everything, and therefore, everything has the same beginning. Nothing appears nor disappears, it only changes form, and ultimately the whole remains the same. Nothing is separate from this force. The force is the only thing that is, and continues to change and create.

Nice !
So you are the universe becoming aware of it's own movement ?
Can you find anything that remains the same, even the whole ?
Do we have any independent control ?

[helio]

So you are the universe becoming aware of it's own movement ?
No exactly. There just IS recognition.

Can you find anything that remains the same, even the whole ?
Not surr about the question, but other than the realization, and the feeling about life; no worries, and lots of joy, everything else is the same. However, sometimes the identification to the identity does resurface, although not as often, and feelings come up. However if left undisturbed, they disappear. On the other hand, if they are disturbed and emotions appear. These linger for a bit, but eventually disappear.

Do we have any independent control?
If you understood my explanation, then the obvious answer is no, since first of all, there is no other than the flow and consequently no "we."
Second, what happens is already predetermined by the DNA, and the environment. Everything is on auto pilot, just continuing to evolve and doing what it is designed to do. And, since the force flows the best way posible, and everything that happens is related, then all events throughout history are in perfect harmony with the force.