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[Mad biker]

Yes our work here might be finished.
I am now going to send you the final confirmation questions which might give rise to some more.

[Mad biker]

I’d suggest you take a look at the final questions. These should help confirm whether the seeing-knowing is steady, and further questions may (or may not) arise from your responses to these. I’ll post them all here, but you can take them one by one or however you wish:

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail from your own experience what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

5) Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in life? Do you make anything happen? Give examples from your experience.

6) Anything to add?

[pokerpro]

will take questions one each day
first question - there is no entity self me in any shape or form
was ther ever i need to consider a bit more.. it does not seem stable yet

[pokerpro]

sorry just realised that my last answer was not clear
i clearly see that there is no entity self etc
just wondering a little bit about ever. it is after all a very long time
at no point in this lifetime absolutely....
maybe i would like some more clarity on ever .... i assume i am probably overcomplicating things

[Mad biker]

Yes, given that you have perhaps seen that there is indeed no actual 'self' 'I' or 'me' in present direct experience, and given that those who have passed through the gate are saying that there never has been one (because there never was an 'I' in the first place) which is it for you?
Is it the case that you are now saying that there was indeed an actual verifiable 'I' say, a few weeks ago (a tangibly verifiable 'I' not a delusionable one) Or are you instead saying that there was never any really tangible 'I' in the first place?

[pokerpro]

never really any tangible i in the first place

[Mad biker]

Mmm, Just give me your responses to the other questions. More words will be neccessary here though!

[pokerpro]

The self is a fiction. An experience arises and quick as a flash[usually] the mind then goes "that must be me" and labels it as such. This happens with feelings,thoughts perceptions,volitions,even the sense of aliveness itself. Even in relation to breaking through the gate the I appropriates experience and labels it me but this is just rubbish. This story has been told and reinforced from when i was atiny child to me and [nearly] evryone else on the planet. supported and encouraged by evryone agreeing with the same illusion.
Right now i know there is writing thre is hearing of the computer whirring etc etc but imperceptibly an "I" is added onto the direct actual experience.
The "I" still appears as athought etc but it is just another condition in a sea of conditions and no more describes the whole as do any of the other myriad conditions occuring

[Mad biker]

Nice. You are looking good.

[pokerpro]

question 3 ...... Its like an enormous weight has been lifted a sense of ease can be accessed pretty easily. stuff comes up but when i remember to turn my attention to it it dissolves. the self appears in one or other way but it dissapears with attention . whole pieces of my story are dropping away. things also feel very ordinary if that makes any sense like they havent been ordinary before. all of this is very different from start of this process which was consumed by doubt and elation then more doubt. its kind of steady now is the best way to describe it. the last few days have been like the previous few sentences describe.
however i still have little doubts but as i say when i look they tend to dissapear

[Mad biker]

things also feel very ordinary if that makes any sense like they havent been ordinary before.

Nice, a lovely piece of writing there!

[pokerpro]

question4.... i cant think of what pushed me over . it feels more like a whole series of little pushes that are just continuing. today reading through the looking section on the enlightenment app plus looking more and more at what is happening all i see is no self at deeper and deeper levels.i just seem quite normal .
should i have some profound and big experience ? A precise memorable moment to remember for ever ?
maybe it was the moment where for the first time i wasnt so worried about death when i thought about it for the first time in my memory.
Basically for the last few days each day is filled with newness

[Mad biker]

Mmm! Lovely!
No, for some people there is a big deal moment like massive pulses of Kundalini energy surging through the body in a definite moment of Insight, a new perspective into something perhaps about feelings, thoughts, tastes, or a thing seen or heard etc.
For others though it can be a soft and gentle unfolding, for some it has happened in their sleep; they go to bed as per normal but wake up having seen through!

[pokerpro]

question 5.
i dont decide or control any thing. maybe it is more accurate to say anytime i look for a decider perceiver controller ther is noone there. it still feels sometimes like there might be a controller until i turn my attention to that idea and realise it is just a thought ,idea or story and is complete rubbish.
as for examples from my experience i can pretty much choose any experience and it would be the same.
andrew types...oohhh there is just typing....the idea of Andrew comes in after the feeling of typing on my keyboard.... ooohh the idea of my keybord arrived after there was just keyboard etc etc
andrew has decided to go through the gate..... oooh wait a second there was no me deciding there was just noticing of what was present, in fact there is just looking with no fictional me involved at all

[pokerpro]

also in relation to the first question it is clear to me that there there never was an i it is entirely makey up
ps also there is no gate its just normality