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[Konrad]

Hello, my name is Konrad and I'm more than happy to help you seeing through the illusion of self.

Before we start let us make a little contract first, respond if you agree for the following rules so we can start:

1. You agree to post here at least once a day.
2. In general, I'll be asking you questions, and you will be answering them.
3. It's absolutely crucial that your responses are 100% honest.
4. Responses are best coming from direct experience (felt senses and observed thoughts). Long-winded, analytical and philosophical responses are best avoided, they might even hinder the process.
5. For the time of this guiding process, put aside all other teachings and philosophies. Really put all your effort and attention into seeing this reality, as it is. If you have daily and essential medidation practice, it's fine to continue doing that.
6. Please learn to use quote function; instructions how to do that are located in the link below this line:
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Sending Love,
Konrad

[Hen]

Okay I am ready what should I do

Hen

[Konrad]

Hi Hen!

What are your expectations about liberation? What do you think is going to happen here? What do you think is liberation going to do to you? How will this feel?

Sending Love,
Konrad

[Hen]

I am expecting to get enlightened and it seems as if liberation is the same thing

I am not sure what is going to happen to me but it must be good because there are lots of people here doing it and they all seem very happy

I am not sure what liberation will do to me but I hope it will make me happy

I want to feel like Eckhart Tolle and have bliss in the power of now he says that sadness and joy merge into each other and then there is only bliss and no more sadness

It will feel happy

Hen

[Konrad]

How do you know for sure how Eckhart Tolle feels? What do you think is enlightenment?

Your expectations are very fair and understandable, but for the sake of clear looking at reality, I encourage you to drop all of these expectations for the time of this investigation, and look with fresh eyes at what's going on. Put expectations aside for now. Thank you.

So, what comes up when I say that there is no "you", in any way, shape or form? Write all of the things that are coming up please.

Sending Love,
Konrad

[Hen]

one cannot know how another person feels and I can only go by what Eckhart says in his book

what do I think enlightenment is

it is something to do with letting go of my ego and when I let go of my ego then I change in some way

I will try and drop my expectations to look with fresh eyes

the things that come up when you say there is no me are that all the scientists are talking about this at the moment and it seems a bit obvious

so maybe my brain has a sort of overseeing computer program in it that makes all the other functions work in it

and that makes some sort of sense but even if it is not a physical thing it is still here

it has electrical signals and a doctor can see it on a screen

and I have a body because I can see it so it does not make sense to say no shape or form

I am obviously here sending you this message

and if I am not how could I get enlightened

Hen

[Konrad]

Just put these expectations aside for the time of this investigation.

so maybe my brain has a sort of overseeing computer program in it that makes all the other functions work in it

Maybe, but maybe not. We are here to see that there is no self, no controller. Base your answers on direct experience, and this only.


You say you have a body.

Does the body percieve sensations and thought? Or, is the "body" just another label for sensations (namely tactile & kinesthetic)? Really dive into this questions.

I am obviously here sending you this message

Where are you exactly? Can you specify this?

Sending Love,
Konrad

[Konrad]

It might be helpful to check what does the words "I" or "me" point to, here and now?

[Hen]

there are sensations happening in my body and I am perceiving them because when they happen then they get noticed by something and that something must be me

and my body is not a label for sensations because some of my body has no sensation in it

for example my brain does not have a tactile experience

I have really been thinking about the next part and it is not obvious but I can still locate myself quite easily by telling you that the milk jug in my kitchen is at a distance and the door is at a distance and outside and the town is at a distance

so I am not at a distance and I am where my body is and I think perhaps inside my head because my brain is in inside my head and scientists have proved that brains make bodies function

Hen

[Konrad]

Okay,

In direct experience, can you find the "I" which is doing the noticing?
Is there a noticer separate from noticing?
Is there a hearer that hears, or only the experience of hearing?

Sending Love,
Konrad

[Hen]

what does in direct experience mean exactly and what experiences are not direct experiences

there is definitely someone doing noticing because I can feel it

it is just one aspect of me noticing another aspect of me

so of course there is a noticer that notices and a hearer that hears

there is not only the experience of hearing, there is the experience of hearer and hearing

it seems like it is separate but it doesn't really separate from itself

all of it is just me noticing me

Hen

[Konrad]

Nice.

Okay, let's look at what's real now.

I say the real is something that does not disappear when you stop believing in it, is it true?

Let's use 3 words here as an examples.

Chair, University and Batman.

First word points to something real, it points to something which you can taste, smell, see, touch, feel, right?
Chair is real.

Second word is used only for communication sake. There is no separate entity called "university". What we call university is a group of buildings etc., but you cannot find the separate thing, university, is it true?

Third word points to something totally imaginary, mind created concept. Is it true? There is no batman, at all, in reality, in any way shape or form. You see?

Sending Love,
Konrad

[Hen]

not really

you mean if I stop believing in chairs they are still here

I sort of get what you are saying the idea of being me is sort of like a group of things like university but the university does clearly exist like me

batman also exists because he has cartoons and comics and films made about him but I suppose he is make believe

but I am like the chair I suppose because I am solid and people can see me and touch me and smell or feel me though I would rather they did not

so I am real in the same sense as a chair am I not

Hen

[Konrad]

Ok, let us clear out some things. This is about what is real, what exists in real life.

University exists ONLY as a label, used for communication sake. You cannot find a separate entity called "university", anywhere, right? There are bunch of buildings which we label as "university". Is it true?

Batman exists, but ONLY as a imaginary character. In REAL LIFE you cannot find Batman, there is no Batman in real life. Is it true or not?


So once again, what comes up when I say that there is absolutely no "you" in reality? In any way, shape or form.

Write everything that comes up, every emotion, every feeling.

Sending Love,
Konrad

[Hen]

it depends on the university and it is probably true if the buildings are not all in one place and some universities are like this but some have a very clear campus with a very clear boundary so I am not sure what you are saying

but I will give you batman I think you are right and I think batman is a character who somebody made up so I can find actors pretending to be batman in real life but they are not portraying a character who has ever existed

I am not like that and I have shape and form and I am sitting in this chair talking to you unless you are one of those customer service autoresponders in which case you are very convincing

nothing special comes to mind no emotions and no feelings just that what you are saying seems wrong

of course I am here and you will have to so something other than tell me a story about batman to convince me otherwise

Hen