i need a guide...

[Anya]

Yes, yes, it was the book Sunil. I started to read and been asking myself questions that were in the book, looked,and realised that there really is no one behind thoughts and feelings... The moment i got it felt like a shift in perception, expantion of perception rather, i don't know how to explain it but it felt like its not 'me' looking at the world through the eyes, it felt like the eyes are looking, the ears are hearing ...all by itself ...
A renunciation phase? hmm... it is possible... maybe it is only a trick of mind?
I don't know what it is but will keep looking at it... :)

loads of love!!

[kvotski]

Yes, best be sure. Perhaps you should re-look a this question and can you answer with direct expereince ratehr than thinking or ideas? Clear answers come directly from the heart.

5) Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do you make anything
happen?

Love

[kvotski]

I hope all is well, Anya. Haven't heard from you in a few days.

[Anya]

Hello Sunil,
I do apologise for not following the rules and not posting last couple of days but was away and had no access to the internet.
Let me answer your question now:
Do I decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do I make anything
happen?
No. I don't make anything happen, free will is just an illusion created by separate self. The life is just living itself. And it is scientifically proven that brain makes a decission 6 seconds before 'our' conscious decission is 'made'... so 'i' don't make any decissions, the brain does.

That is interesting as couple days ago someone asked me for help and made it clear that from 'my' decision depends that person's future and the country he will live in... That i found confusing... I know i have no choice but it appears that i have!! There is an illusion of possibility to change someone's life... but that illussion looks very real: If 'i decide' to take action things will probably stay as they are and that person won't need to change living circumstances but if 'i decide' not to take any action that person will have to change life arrangements for sure...
what to do? take action or not? brain seems confused and there is a lot of daubts around it and kind of...hmm... moral responsibility... has the decission been made already and doesn't matter what action will be taken? it is actually confusing Sunil...

That is so bizzare that we discussing here the reality of decission making and life straight away creates a situation to clear all the doubts...

loads of love

[kvotski]

Hi Anya:

It's almost like astrology in the papers. Doesn't matter which one you read, it could apply to you. Decision making is similar. All you, meaning your very powerful brain, can do is look at all the options and make the best and right decision. And it will. As you say, six seconds later the false construct called I will take credit for it or something like that. Keep in view the big picture and you will make the right choice but it won't be you making the choice, if yu know what I mean.

Much love

[Anya]

yes, i know what you mean :) Thanks.

[Anya]

but what if the choice will be wrong? ...is it even possible??? i wonder... we don't have a real choice, that's the fact. why people hurt others and kill etc? is it just the part of life and there's nothing wrong with it? ...or is it because they are trapped in illusion of separate self? So once there is seeing and allowing life live itself, the choices that will be made won't be blured by wants and needs of the illusory me? ... but illusory me doesn't have a choice in the first place! wait... all the hurting happens on the level of illusory self so maybe that's the way to free from it? To understand that there is no one to be hurt or no one to be killed? aarrrgggghhh!!!
I'm really glad you asked that question Sunil cause i thought i understand but now i can see that i can't see!!! :) please burst the bubble!

[kvotski]

Great questions Anya. Now we are cooking.

but what if the choice will be wrong? ...is it even possible??? i wonder... we don't have a real choice, that's the fact. why people hurt others and kill etc?

Why did the meteor wipe out earth 100 million years ago? Why does the lion eat the sheep? It appears we have a choice but do we? Given the myriad of events that have led us to this moment. the decisions are already made.

is it just the part of life and there's nothing wrong with it? ...or is it because they are trapped in illusion of separate self? So once there is seeing and allowing life live itself, the choices that will be made won't be blured by wants and needs of the illusory me? ... but illusory me doesn't have a choice in the first place!

Yes. Right and wrong is a decision made by an illusory self. In the name of right, millions have been slaughtered

wait... all the hurting happens on the level of illusory self so maybe that's the way to free from it? To understand that there is no one to be hurt or no one to be killed? aarrrgggghhh!!!

There is no one to be freed, Anya. Stuff happens and will happen. Illusory self is an illusion, incapable of doing anything. Bodies and minds do the stuff and label it I, me or self. They also label it right or wrong. Even the most heinous crime is conducted for a reason which is totally unacceptable to society but not to the one doing the crime. He or she was led to do this because of an environmental or genetic cause.

the way to free from suffering is not to understand why hurtful things are being done but to know that there is no one to suffer. Physical pain, emotional hurt even calamities will happen and tears will be shed, books will be written but whenever there is suffering felt, it would be because some one is under the illusion of self.

I did not mean to preach. I would like you to see through direct experience as to if there is a decision maker again in your own life? Even the most serious decisions you have made or are going to make, see that when all the facts that are available to your brain are presented, the decision falls out. Of course garbage in, garbage out. If the facts available are not correct, the decision will also be wrong. Where is the self in all of this?

Did Brutus actually kill Caesar? Did he actually have a choice? Of course we hate what Osama did but given the people who supported him, did he actually have a choice? These are provocative questions but essential to understand this illusion of self.

[Anya]

Hi Sunil...

so... is there decision maker in my life? well, no, there isn't. It's just the body system that reacts to circumstances and it happens automatically, there is no one to make a decision. Anya likes to think she has a control over 'her' life but since Anya is just a concept...

Yesterday i had a go on a person that didn't act the way 'I' wanted and certain emotions arose. Again, it took a little while to recognise that 'I' had no control over that person's behavior, neither 'i' had a control over the emotions that arose. It just happened, 'i' didnt do anything.
'I' never do anything... 'I' like certain foods, music etc. but 'I' don't recall deciding on it, it just happens, the body decides, not 'me'.

Remember, I told you about that person who asked for my help?
The choice 'I' thought 'I' had was based on question: "what would be better for me?", "how it will affect me?", "what should I do?"
But there isn't me to be affected. When i realised it, the illusion of choice dissolved. There is no more question "how it will affect me?", the only question left is "what feels right?" And here, again, body will decide. When something doesn't feel right body usually signalise it by (in my case) a cramp in the stomach or feeling of discomfort. That is the sign of a "wrong choice". And clearly 'I' don't do it, it just happens...
Everything just happens. There is no control over anything.

[kvotski]

Hi Anya,

There is a subtle issue here.
Look
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t took a little while to recognise that 'I' had no control over that person's behavior, neither 'i' had a control over the emotions that arose. It just happened, 'i' didnt do anything.
'I' never do anything... 'I' like certain foods, music etc. but 'I' don't recall deciding on it, it just happens, the body decides, not 'me'.

Was there a you not doing anything? That is still a decision. Is there an I who can' t recall?

And,

When i realised it, the illusion of choice dissolved. There is no more question "how it will affect me?", the only question left is "what feels right?" And here, again, body will decide.

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You saw the illusion of choice or did you see the illusion of you? No you, no choice.

Please read my question 5 again and can you answer yes or no? And why?

We are undoing the knots here. Best wishes.

[Anya]

Hi Sunil,
You asked if I saw the illusion of choice or did I see the illusion of me? I've seen the illusion of me and therefore the illusion of choice.

ok, question 5: Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do you make anything happen? And why?

No. 'I' don't decide, intend, choose or control events in Life. 'I' don't make anything happen because there is no 'I', 'me' or 'self'. There isn't anyone to decide, choose or control. There isn't anyone to do or not to do anything. There is just Life living itself.

[kvotski]

beautiful as you.

thanks.

[kvotski]

Hi Anya,

I know it has been a few back and forth but I am pleased to report that my friends at LU agree with me that you have seen the illusion and would like to welcome you into our closed groups. Here you will have the opportunity to help others if you so wish. You will get the formal invitation form our admin group. I know, we do have a system.

Thank you for the opportunity to spar with you.

[Anya]

Hello Sunil.
Thank you ever so much for your time and help and for the invitiation to join the community. I will do so with pleasure. :)

Loads of love,
Anya
xx