Thread for CelesteGabriele

[CelesteGabriele]

Hi Nona,
yes, the glitch is over, looks like back to "normal"

Yes, it feels clearer that there is only Life, less fear and still some in the back ground:" I won't be ok if I live w/o control, although I know I have no control. Soooo, why is there still fear?

Does this feel different from when we began? Has there been a shift in perspective?

Is consciousness "you"? YES, I AND CONSCIOUSNESS IS LIFE UNFOLDING

[nonaparry]

I won't be ok if I live w/o control, although I know I have no control.

Not only do you have no control Now; you have never had any at any time, and yet Life has been happening all these years without it. And, except for your thoughts about it, have you been OK?

In Nature, do you perceive control or a need for control? Are the birds, plants, mountains, sun and stars in need of control to be OK? What makes 'you' different from all the rest of Life in needing control in order to be OK?

Soooo, why is there still fear?

In my experience, Fear is a kind friend that strives to keep me from doing foolish things that could lead to injury at least, and possibly death. My fear of heights prevents me from walking off cliffs, which is a very helpful thing. It also prevents me from ascending more than two steps on a stepstool. In this second case the fear is not so helpful; I am not in the same kind of danger on a stepstool as I am on a cliff. If I fall from a stepstool, I am unlike to die from it, and not as likely to incur injury as if I fell from a cliff.
So Fear can help me avoid situations which may result in death, but it is not discerning enough to catch the difference between a cliff and a stepstool.

When one's entire life has been predicated on BEing a separate, discrete self, an I-entity, Fear is likely to arise when that belief is "threatened". Again, the fear is being protective; and again the fear has mis-diagnosed the threat. There is no entity self, no entity I, that is being threatened. There is no entity self or I at all!!

If there is no entity in reality self, I, me, to what, then, do those labels refer?

Bring to mind a cup. Notice its shape, its volume, its decoration or none, its handle or none. See it clearly in mind's eye. Can you drink from this cup? Is it an entity in reality? Or is it an image + a thought?

Now look at self. If self is not an entity in reality, could it also be an image + a thought? Check it.

Is consciousness "you"?

YES, I AND CONSCIOUSNESS IS LIFE UNFOLDING

These are no doubt poetic words, but do they describe Reality? LOOK with the eyes in the head at Life unfolding. Watch it for a while. Is 'Life unfolding' a You-entity? Does consciousness belong to a label "you", or is the label "you" a part of consciousness? Check it.

[CelesteGabriele]

Dear Nona,

I am experiencing lots of resistance right now to sit with what is true. I am disappointed and having judgments about it, I think I reacted to looking as you suggested "with the inner eye in the body" I thought "I do not know how to do that"
then went about my day and not willing to practice or look again.
Today it is clear that I at least need to let you know what is going on:" I am not getting it" "She got it" "I am confused by people they look they got "It" but their behavior seems not to match "it".
I see that allowing , being ok with where Liberation Unleashed is taking me is the way right now.
Love,
Celeste

[nonaparry]

I am experiencing lots of resistance right now to sit with what is true.

Yes. This is the "Protective" fear making sure your belief in a separate "I" is entrenched. It's a lie, as you know. Best thing is to inquire into it, expose it for the lie that it is. You have the Tool.

went about my day and not willing to practice or look again.

That's fine. You have experienced a glimpse; now the urge to see will itch until it is satisfied.

" I am not getting it" "She got it" "I am confused by people they look they got "It" but their behavior seems not to match "it".

There is nothing to "get" and no one to get it. Honest.

What seeing through the illusion of a separate self is, is a tiny shift in perspective. That's all.
"I" is only a label. Notice. It's a bit of language solely for the convenience of communication. It does not exist as an entity in reality.

I suspect that Katie developed the questions as a means to see through all the conditioned thoughts and behaviours that stuck after her awakening. The idea that those who are awake to the illusion don't behave in certain ways is only an idea.
For myself, I found I still had 59 years of conditioned thinking and behaviour to inquire into. Thank the friendly universe I had the perfect Tool with which to do that.

I see conditioning like papier-maché wrapped over a balloon. The papier-maché hardens into a shell, and even when the supporting balloon is popped and removed, the shell retains its shape. I find that The Work allows me to see through the illusion that these thoughts *mean* something, that I am somehow limited by them.

I see that allowing , being ok with where Liberation Unleashed is taking me is the way right now.

Sweetheart, in my experience this is the Only place worth being. And I love this for you.

Take your time, keep LOOKing, and report back.

love
Nona

[CelesteGabriele]

thank you, dear Nona for working with "my" mind,
I appreciate the time for the Inquiry to arise,
Love,
Celeste

[CelesteGabriele]

I don't know what the thoughts/beliefs are I could inquire into, can you suggest?
Yes. This is the "Protective" fear making sure your belief in a separate "I" is entrenched. It's a lie, as you know. Best thing is to inquire into it, expose it for the lie that it is. You have the Tool.

[nonaparry]

As always, any thought that brings stress rather than peace can be inquired into.

Perhaps those you've identified here are a good start:

I am disappointed and having judgments about it, I think I reacted to looking as you suggested "with the inner eye in the body" I thought "I do not know how to do that"

My instruction was "LOOK with the eyes in the head." I don't know of any "inner eye in the body".

When fear arrives, can you invite it in for a cuppa tea? Ask kindly why it has come and what it wishes to protect you from? What message does the fear have for you? Can you inquire to discover if what the fear says is true for you?

Spend some dedicated time just watching Life unfold. Out in nature seems to work best. Do plants and animals have an "I" that controls their lives? Do they decide anything? Where to grow, what prey to chase? Or are they just a part of Life happening?
Check if there is anything actually "in control" in nature. Then check if there is really anything in control of Celeste's life. What exactly is "I" except a thought?

[CelesteGabriele]

wow, so rich, I am finding how I do not read/listen literally when you said
"LOOK with the eyes in the head." I heard" Inner Eye" and what a difference it has made
as I did TW on it.
I still was projecting that there is a place which is "the" place which you know and I do not
gave my self stress to match yours.
I am back/open to your questions.
Strange to even use the I word and how else can I express.
Katie in The School gives the exercise "she" thinks and that is also not close enough for
what is experienced.

[nonaparry]

Go back through this conversation. Answer the questions from what you are In This Moment Now.


I give you this to consider: When I was little, I believed that Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy were entities in reality. My proof was my parents would use them to get me to go to bed with the promise that in the morning there would be gifts (Santa Claus) or money (Tooth Fairy). In the morning the promised loot would be present, and so I believed.
Years later I learned that there is no Santa and no Tooth Fairy in reality; they were characters in a story, told and played by my parents. I never ever even once again believed that Santa or Tooth Fairy was "Real".

When it is SEEN that "I", "me", "self" is only a label used in communication, when it is SEEN how Life simply happens and mind attaches an "I did it", when it is SEEN how parents and society create and uphold a story that there is a "me" distinct and separate from all of the rest of Life ("others"), when it is SEEN that Life is just happening without any director/driver/controller/decider/intender, it can never be unseen.

It is not necessary to 'rest in' or 'abide in' this seeing. Seeing through the illusion is not a State, any more than seeing through Santa or Tooth Fairy is a State. We needn't be aware of the Fact that none of these exists in reality during every waking moment. It is enough to Know with crystal clarity that there is not a separate "me"-entity, and never was, even when I imagined there was.

[CelesteGabriele]

Yes, I can invite fear for a cup of tea in this moment. Fear has come to show me that I am believing in thoughts, it wants to protect me from "something bad is going to happen if you don't stay alert" and fear is the reminder that I am staying watchful.The message of fear is " I exist" "there is good and bad"
After the Inquiry I am clearly seeing that there is no reality to it, I am just believing a thought. Fear does not exist apart from a thought.
I cannot find that plants and animals have an I, in plants for sure there is no I, with animals I am not sure, I am leaning more to not. Therefore they are not deciding. That what I call Life is doing moving, sitting, growing. It is just Life happening.
I cannot find a controller in Nature. After having checked if there is really anything in control of Celeste's life.I cannot find anything. Yes, "I" is just a thought.

[nonaparry]

I cannot find a controller in Nature. After having checked if there is really anything in control of Celeste's life.I cannot find anything. Yes, "I" is just a thought.

How does it feel to notice this?

Have you seen it? Have you seen through the illusion that a separate self exists in reality? Have you seen with the eyes in the head that nothing is running the show, it was only a story that there was ever an "I"-entity?

[CelesteGabriele]

How does it feel to notice this?
IT FEELS PEACEFUL

Have you seen through the illusion that a separate self exists in reality?
YES, IT IS CLEAR NOW.

Have you seen with the eyes in the head that nothing is running the show, it was only a story that there was ever an "I"-entity?
YES, THAT HAS BEEN SEEN NOW AS WELL.

[nonaparry]

Dearest Celeste,

A few questions, then, to wrap up this process. Answer fully and in detail, please.

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

5) Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do you make anything happen? Give examples from your experience.

6) Anything to add?

love
Nona

[CelesteGabriele]

There is no separate entity, self, me, I anywhere, in no shape or form and never was .

The Illusion of a separate self starts with the I thought/the identification with the body. Thought arises and when it is not seen as that "a thought" it goes to: I am, I am a woman, I am good/bad. Hence the body identification.

Wow, such a difference, I feel light, un concerned about the outcome, enjoying witnessing as Katie says it: "the unfoldment/being done" easy with people. A burden is taken of my shoulders where I thought "I" was the doer
to now knowing that it is "That" "Life" which is unfolding and that is me too, no separation!!!!!!

At some point it was clear that thought is not separate from me, that there was no need to get away from thinking, the separation felt unbearable. Watching Nature, animals, me clarified that there was no I to be found. I really wanted to know in Nature without me"I" how that works. I found nothing is needed to ad , Life is , no beginning and no end. I love it, no more fear.

I do not decide, intend, choose or control events in Life. I do not make anything happen
And I am experiencing that I cannot control Life:
I was sitting in a restaurant today when a text came with an invite to dinner, I texted back w/o deciding to do that, I watched her doing it/being done, the words came out "yes, I will be coming to join you all" I wanted to visit Robert yesterday and nothing felt right to do that. 3 hrs later I called him, there was not deciding there, I watched the movement towards the phone and the voice speaking to him.
I am Life and Life is me

[nonaparry]

If, in reading your answers, someone were to suggest that writing "I am Life and Life is me" could be an attempt to find some entity to identify with, how would you answer? Is there somebody/some entity that you refer to as Life?