Bangaroo, are you ready?

[bangaroo]

word fairy. hmm that sounds nice. hmm word fairy. nice :)
Om
Om
Om
ooooooooh aaaaaaaaaah
what do you mean by REAL LIFE ?? ?? ?? ?? ??
whats UNREAL LIFE ?? ?? ??
i need a break :)

[Ilona]

Real life is not the same as fantasy world.
For example table is real, fairy is imagined.
Real is that which does not dissapear if you stop believing in it.

Imagine you hold a melon in between your hands. Visualise it's weight, shape, temperature, texture. Close your eyes and hold that melon, imagine it as vividly as you can. Feel it.

Then open your eyes and look: what happened to the melon?
Was melon real?

Same is 'me'. You have been told that there is a you and never questioned it. It's a fantasy, assumption that rules your life. you believe that there is a me. But there isn't.

It is not difficult to see.

[bangaroo]

hmmm
hmmm
thats precisely it !!
it is difficult to SEE SEE SEE SEE
SEE
SEE
SEE
SEE
through reasoning i can reason this way (which i have done hundreds of times)
this is how i go: ~~
i pick up my handkerchief
then i say to myself
'this is MY handkerchief'
then i drop the handkerchief to the floor
then i say 'that MY handkerchief means that there is an owner of the handkerchief and there is the handkerchief'
so it means that 'MY handkerchief and ME are separate'
then i extend the same reasoning to MY body
by the reasoning above i know that MY body and ME are 2 different thingies
then i extend this reasoning to MY mind
again i reason that MY mind (= a bundle of thoughts) is different from ME

[bangaroo]

now through this kind of simple reasoning,
i know that i am not MY body or MY mind !!!!!
so who on earth am i, if not this body or this mind ????
i learn from reasoning that i am a thingy
but i cant SEE me

so this is where i'm stuck Ilona

im STUCK STUCK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bangaroo]

melon
lemon
i told you my method bcos i found some trouble with your method
instead of melon i imagined america. so when i opened my eyes
america disappeared. but america is still there otherwise hmm..

[Ilona]

Tell me precisely what thoughts and feelings come up as you read this and let this thought into your mind:


There is no separate self, no entity 'me' at all in reality. As in zero. There is everything else, life is going on as always, but it's not happening to 'me'. Like breathing is not happening to 'me', it's just happening.

[bangaroo]

hmm
again troubled by your reasoning
as i already know breathing
is happening to MY body
not to ME :)

first feeling is resistance
to improper reasoning :)

now i'm trying to see
what is in your thoughts
what is the insight you
are trying to communicate

i know already through
reasoning that i am
not this body

i also know through
reasoning that i
am not this mind
(this bundle of thoughts)

i am soul
you are soul
we are equal
all are equal
all are soul
this i understand
through my reasoning
but so far not able
to experience in
daily life

i think i need a break :))

[Ilona]

I see, you think its about reasoning, I say it's about seeing that for yourself.
So you think that you are a soul. Is it true? How does it work? Does soul comand body? Does soul think and do things?
Is there a soul in a cat? In a tree? How do you know?

[bangaroo]

Hi Ilona,

what i call reasoning is what you call inquiry :)
so we are both doing the same thing. its like
i can call it breathing in and you call it inhaling

so i'll stick to the word inquiry from now on :)

ok just as i figured out that i am a soul,
i figure out the cat must also be having a soul,
also the tree, the stone and the electron too

so how do i know you ask ??
i'm just guessing ;)
how do i know the same electric
current is flowing through the bulbs,
the refrigerator, the washing machine,
the fan etc. i think its the same soul in all

[Ilona]

Same soul in all, ok, so how about you, do you own a separate soul? Where is the line that divides you from another?
What happens if you replace word soul with word uniqueness? how about word life force?

If it's one soul in all, how come you are a separate being? are you the soul that is in everyone else?
Investigate here.

[bangaroo]

Namaste Ilona,

in daily life i try to see a light
in the center of everyone's chest that i
meet in that day . that is the soul
which is everyone's reality i think :)

everyone's bodies and minds
are unique, but their souls
are the same and equal.
so a man and a woman
have different bodies and psyches
but their souls are the same i think.
the soul is neither male or female
or even neutral. its something i
dont fully understand.

the above is for the purpose of
moving around in the practical world

truly speaking i think we are all strung
up on this soul-thread like flowers
on a garland. Just like you can have
a series of bulbs of different colors
(like different bodies) and different
wattages (like different minds) but the
same current (soul) in all. so the soul
is more like some universal thingy
while the body-mind thingy is the
unique individual. but i understand
this only in my head. i havent
experienced this :)

[Ilona]

Ok....
Hm....
Try to answer my questions precisely, without the fluff. Just read a question and answer, simply that.
What you doing here is giving me your theories about how you imagine it works. What I'm doing here is pointing where to lOok so you see what is, before the story that you tell about it.

Now read my previous post and find those answers. Focus.

[bangaroo]

cut the fluff ??

hahahaha :)

ok, guess i had to get rid of the fluff.

i'm ready to focus :)

just reading your questions again on this visit. will think about them and be back. Namaste Ilona .

[bangaroo]

Namaste Ilona :)

i am a soul
therefore i am equal to all other souls :)
i am not separate from other souls

[Ilona]

ok, soul is, one soul. there is no you.
soul= 1
you =0

all that is happening is happening without your management.
you don't exist. everything is, all life is. but the 'me' is a fantasy. like an easter bunny.

to see that, you may need to be open to the possibility that all you know is wrong. how does this sound to you? would you take a fresh look or would you rather stick to the fantasy story and carry on living your life fooled by illusion? take a pick.