Can this really work?

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neeeel
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Re: Can this really work?

Postby neeeel » Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:03 pm

Ok, I just want to clarify this a bit. You say there is no me, apart from memory. So, are you your memories?
Can you answer your own question, "what am I without these referentials?" are you nothing? Or does "you" just not exist, there is a subtle difference? Can you explain how, even after seeing no-self, selfishness, resentments and judgements can still arise?
What I was trying to say was that the belief in a me is there only with these memories and thoughts. They are not a self, but only seem to point to one. Even saying I am nothing is not true. I see that I am not but language is not the right tool for this. Where I thought I was I am not nor anywhere else when I look.

I guess the resentment towards my ex is still there as part of the whole drama. I have to say that there is a feeling here that I need to prove that I have `got it'. All I know is that where I thought I was I am no more. I see this emptiness instead and everything feels lighter. Everything, thougthts, feelings, resentments are happening but not around a center.

I also sat in bed last night investigating and saw that when i saw that was not, she was not either!! She was only there when I appeared to be there.

This is all quite strange. There is a sense of wanting to be silent about this..
Yes, I have not told anyone IRL about this, not family, not anyone, dont see the need to at the moment.

I am pretty sure you have seen that no self is true, and are through the gate, just waiting on confirms.

Can you answer how it is possible, if you have seen that no self is true, that the resentment of your girlfriend is still there, still able to surface, still able to affect , although possibly to a lesser extent than before? If there is no self, how can all the resentment have an effect on your behaviour, and how can it arise at all?

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Re: Can this really work?

Postby da229 » Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:01 pm

Well, the resentment is not there right now but if I look back, they were just thoughts. I can't really describe in much more detail than that. I guess the belief still lingers and hasn't lost its momentum in spite of having seen something. The resentment is there when it is thought about and a well known story of me is tapped into. I really don't know why or how it arose.

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Re: Can this really work?

Postby da229 » Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:02 pm

I want to thank you for your help with this. You have pointed very directly and clearly. Something was felt very soon into the discussion.

Thank you again

Daniel

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Re: Can this really work?

Postby neeeel » Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:22 pm

No problem, I was happy to help
thanks
neil

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Re: Can this really work?

Postby da229 » Thu Jan 05, 2012 7:39 pm

I don't know what happened today but I spent the day really busy and forgot to spend anytime alone and in investigating. I again have a very strong sense of identity back. Blast, I don't know why this belief in a separate me is still there after all the work I have done on myself. I thought I had seen something and that seeing it would somehow stay with me.

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Re: Can this really work?

Postby neeeel » Thu Jan 05, 2012 7:55 pm

I don't know what happened today but I spent the day really busy and forgot to spend anytime alone and in investigating. I again have a very strong sense of identity back. Blast, I don't know why this belief in a separate me is still there after all the work I have done on myself. I thought I had seen something and that seeing it would somehow stay with me.
Yes, it can be difficult, you go back into "real" life and the sense of self comes back. Only thing to do is not worry about it, and look again and see that there is no actual self, as you have done in this thread. You have seen something, you have seen that its an illusion, and once seen, you can never unsee it. The belief is still there because there is no you to see it, just a brain that has deeply ingrained patterns and conditioning. These patterns and conditioning are still there after the brain has recognised that theres no self, so the beliefs and patterns of behaviour can still occur. Just dont worry, or feel bad about losing it, or that you havent got it, or whatever. Just keep with the work of enquiring into reality.
I have this thread confirmed by 2 others that you have seen it clearly, and so will be able to add you to the facebook group , which will also help keep things fresh. the group is http://www.facebook.com/groups/200033776715393/ , there are a couple of others you could join too.

Dont worry, just remember there is no you to have a belief in self either, no you to see through anything.


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