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Re: good place

Postby daisyrain » Fri Sep 04, 2026 1:52 pm

What is the direct, lived experience of this?
freaky.
What is the thought overlay on Bec?

Is the yearning owned or free?
I don't know, about the first question, but the yearning is somewhat it's "own thing".
it's felt in the body. I'm not sure about any qualities that read as distinctly "owned" or "free"

It's it's own thing and works itself through the body on its own.

Is anything missing?
nothing reads as "missing".
What is here right now?
impressively, everything is.
( but what good does that do me?)
(answering from thought right now: I have no idea, what that answer I gave is supposed to mean, and I'm worried it's pure intellectualizing, or grabbing onto that was seen just for SUCH a brief moment, that I don't really "own" that insight *at all*)
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Re: good place

Postby daisyrain » Fri Sep 04, 2026 2:45 pm

This head LOVES imagining myself as „enlightened“

It even feels good in the body
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Re: good place

Postby graceabounds » Sat Sep 05, 2026 12:33 am

hahahahaha

Can any ‘insight’ be owned?

Can insight or ownership exist at all without thought?

What is here right now? Take a look.
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unfortunately…
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Re: good place

Postby daisyrain » Sat Sep 05, 2026 1:07 pm

Can any ‘insight’ be owned?

Can insight or ownership exist at all without thought?
There is a body sensation coming along with the thought „this is my phone“.
Felt in left torso, right side of face, lips, around the eyes. Lips again. Forehead and hands. Left foot. Chest.

And I have surprisingly nooooo idea what insight is even supposed to be.
But the question/implication really works itself through the body.
And it can’t be found in DE.

what is here right now? Take a look?
Two Latin guys teaching me swearwords
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Re: good place

Postby daisyrain » Sat Sep 05, 2026 1:09 pm

i see there’s something about this. About the immediately available. Though I have no further idea about it.

It’s increasingly enjoyable to reside in this though
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Re: good place

Postby graceabounds » Sat Sep 05, 2026 1:22 pm

Is there anyone to reside ‘IN this’? Can you catch the movement of a self who comes and goes?
“Your comfort zone is not the best place for your spiritual awakening….
unfortunately…
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Re: good place

Postby daisyrain » Sat Sep 05, 2026 2:25 pm

It seems like it’s sometimes not there.
Now. That would still be a thought. So….

There might not be a reason to come up with an „I“ given current sensation.

Sound….
Sight isn’t as pure, it feels tangled with body sensations..

„I see this“ feels like a struggle.
„Sight“ fits better.
What to make of this now?…

Sight feeling mixed with body sensation is interesting
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Re: good place

Postby graceabounds » Sat Sep 05, 2026 3:26 pm

1. Close the eyes and hold up one hand. Pay attention only to the felt sensations ‘of the hand’.

2. Open the eyes, and now observe the hand by looking only.

3. While looking at the hand, pay attention to the felt sensations.

Repeat 1 to 3 as many times as needed and investigate…

Normally we believe that the sensation is coming from the sight, the ‘object’ seen (hand).

But if you look, is there any link between the sensation and the sight? In other words, is the sensation ‘coming from’ the sight (labeled as hand) or only thoughts and mental constructs link them?

Can you see that both the ‘visual sight’ and the sensation appear simultaneously but ‘separately’, meaning that none of them is coming from the other or contained by the other?
So they just appear equally, ‘beside’ each other without any hierarchy or link between them?

You can repeat the exercise with different body parts. For the head you can use a mirror.
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Re: good place

Postby daisyrain » Sun Sep 06, 2026 2:06 pm

mental images of body are coming up, and these image thoughts can be felt in the body as well.


I might need a bit with this exercise. I want to answer something, but I just might take a day or two.
A lot comes up, clearer seeing or grief or whatever.

it's pressure really.

puh. oh fuck.

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Re: good place

Postby graceabounds » Sun Sep 06, 2026 7:33 pm

with love and gratitude back

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Re: good place

Postby daisyrain » Tue Sep 08, 2026 9:02 am

Hello Becc :)

It can be seen the sensations arrive separately.
When focusing, thoughts like "this is what my hands feel like" are there as well.
Assumptions that there is a connection are noticed and felt as subtle contraction in other parts of the body, like the left shoulder.

Mental images of body come up, like a figure positioned in a certain pose.
It is interesting to ask „where in the body is this image felt?“

It feels like „old and stiff muscle groups“ answer.


Also some shadow-y stuff is really with me, that I'd like to yap about a little.

So, there is a very general fear of letting people down / disappointing. It shows as aversion to answering here as well.
There are more thoughts coming up like "I am unbearably hurt" or "I wish I was dead", really dark stuff like that.
There is a lot of sadness with me at times. Right now it's quite okay though :)
Still, it's odd.

At times it feels like my soul is in hibernation.
But I wonder if it hasn't always been like that.

There is capacity for all this, eventually


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Re: good place

Postby daisyrain » Tue Sep 08, 2026 11:04 am

Oh Becc

I want this enlightenment so very very much.

<That yearning is felt as subtle „electricity“ in the body (cheeks, lips, stomach, feet)>

I also seem to have read stuff and watched a video on it, and I guess that really put fire to the yearning. It had little to do with the LU way of teaching.

So, while I don’t plan to gorge on more spiritual consumerism, it is interesting to be here with this want and desire or cry for awakening.
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Re: good place

Postby graceabounds » Tue Sep 08, 2026 1:06 pm

At times it feels like my soul is in hibernation.
But I wonder if it hasn't always been like that
How is this known in direct experience?

So, there is a very general fear of letting people down / disappointing. It shows as aversion to answering here as well.
There are more thoughts coming up like "I am unbearably hurt" or "I wish I was dead", really dark stuff like that
.

For the first: is this story True?

For the second: is there any sense of ownership of the production of these thoughts? any sense of responsibility for doing something with them?

<That yearning is felt as subtle „electricity“ in the body (cheeks, lips, stomach, feet)>
Is this interpreted as negative, positive, neutral?
Where does the electricity move from and to?

What does the spiritual porn give you that isn’t here now?
Who does it feed?
Is there an addiction to seeking?
“Your comfort zone is not the best place for your spiritual awakening….
unfortunately…
(sorry about that.)”

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Re: good place

Postby daisyrain » Tue Sep 08, 2026 3:23 pm

At times it feels like my soul is in hibernation.
How is this known in direct experience?
Oh right DE.
well. Right now stories about feeling unworthy come up concerning this. And I think there's some ground to investigate them.
I.e. I am not sure how to answer from DE alone without bypassing this.

There is a sensation along with this.
Like a dense cloud in throat.
Shifted to dense cloud in torso.
Chest.
Upper Arms. Inner side of arms and hands.

Thought: "Is that everything?"
^-- that one, this one right here, it feels important to have an answer to this.
let me rephrase it: "shouldn't I look somewhere else to find the feeling?"

the leaves nearby just started rustling. that was immense.

thought: "I am so sad"
eyes: bit teary.
jaw: jittery
breath; jagged
thought: "I am afraid sadness is nowhere to be found, I don't want to be a psychopath"
^-- this might be a deeper worry.
Story, but: "I always felt like I'm not feeling the proper way, like everybody else does".
Tension in forehead, in cheeks. Dense, energetic feeling in hands.

Thought coming implying I should hold onto that story of not feeling properly, and investigate.
(I assume that it's just the ego clawing back / recreating the story, that is already gone in that moment)
So, there is a very general fear of letting people down / disappointing. It shows as aversion to answering here as well.
There are more thoughts coming up like "I am unbearably hurt" or "I wish I was dead", really dark stuff like that
For the first: is this story True?
I... don't know what true means.
But I feel it's valuable to look into this with the vince bot.
It does feel true to say that these underlying believes become more noticable these days, and affect behaviour.
For the second: is there any sense of ownership of the production of these thoughts? any sense of responsibility for doing something with them?
yeah, sense of ownership + (these days) wanting to listen to them to "hopefully heal that".
There's a believe that there is "something to heal / resolve".
Heal is a better fitting word here than resolve.
<That yearning is felt as subtle „electricity“ in the body (cheeks, lips, stomach, feet)>
Is this interpreted as negative, positive, neutral?
Where does the electricity move from and to?
There is judgement in a way. Right now it feels like the uncomfortable tightening that also occurs when actively thinking "This moment needs to change" for example.

(right now there's a less electric quality, but something resonates with the description)
The electricity does move from arms, chest, face, to feet, cheeks. Hands.
What does the spiritual porn give you that isn’t here now?
Who does it feed?
Is there an addiction to seeking?
Jesus, that's a new word for me 😄
It gives these tales and stories that sound so beautiful.

it also feeds something.
I wanna come back to these last two.
They feel relevant.

But yeah, there's a movement of seeking that...


oooooh

oooh


that really "makes "me" dream" (as in daydream)
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