My Journey

[Yaz]

Thank you John!

[Yaz]

Hello John. Yes, thoughts arise to no-one, since there is no 'I'. Stories are thoughts. Our lives lived are thoughts lived. Not much else to report!

Best wishes!

[s-p-a-c-e]

Hi Yaz,

Hello John. Yes, thoughts arise to no-one, since there is no 'I'. Stories are thoughts. Our lives lived are thoughts lived. Not much else to report!

Best wishes!

"Our lives lived are thoughts lived."

Want a fascinating statement. :) Could you clarify a little.

Thank you!
John

[Yaz]

Hi John, what I mean by that is, as thoughts 'arise', they determine our movements . i discovered this as I discovered there was no 'I'. Our lives lived are thoughts lived therefore.

Best wishes John!

[s-p-a-c-e]

Hi Yaz,

Hi John, what I mean by that is, as thoughts 'arise', they determine our movements . i discovered this as I discovered there was no 'I'. Our lives lived are thoughts lived therefore.

Best wishes John!

Could you give me example.

Best wishes,
John

[Yaz]

Hi John, I've copied a piece of text that I messaged to you when you ask me to explore who the controller is. This will give you an idea of what I'm talking about:
.... I began to observe something interesting. A thought would arise, and I would act. I kept my focus very much on the thought arising and the movement of the body to do something. The thought itself produced an emotion...for example, the thought came, 'I wonder if Annie has eaten today'. I was working on something, and she could have sorted herself out, but an emotion accompanied the thought. It was an emotion of pity and guilt. So I jumped up to make her something to eat. After searching for the controller on that one, I realized that the decision was not made by me (though I initially thought so). The thought produced an emotion and I acted on the emotion. Then I started to 'get it' to an extent. I wanted to go to the toilet. 'I' didn't make the decision. The body prompted me with its 'full' sensation and the thought arose 'go to the toilet'. So I went. I couldn't sense an emotion there (unless urgency is an emotion). I decided to quiz my husband as well, because I found him applying for another job in the same field as he is now. When I asked him who made the decision, he was adamant it was him. We traced it back to a conversation we had earlier about the issues he'd faced this week at work. Again, it all boiled down to a thought, 'they don't appreciate my worth', which produced a depressive emotion, which prompted him to go online and apply for another job. He didn't make the decision at all.....

Our lives lived are thoughts lived.
best wishes
Yaz

[s-p-a-c-e]

Hi Yaz,

Hi John, I've copied a piece of text that I messaged to you when you ask me to explore who the controller is. This will give you an idea of what I'm talking about:
.... I began to observe something interesting. A thought would arise, and I would act. I kept my focus very much on the thought arising and the movement of the body to do something. The thought itself produced an emotion...for example, the thought came, 'I wonder if Annie has eaten today'. I was working on something, and she could have sorted herself out, but an emotion accompanied the thought. It was an emotion of pity and guilt. So I jumped up to make her something to eat. After searching for the controller on that one, I realized that the decision was not made by me (though I initially thought so). The thought produced an emotion and I acted on the emotion. Then I started to 'get it' to an extent. I wanted to go to the toilet. 'I' didn't make the decision. The body prompted me with its 'full' sensation and the thought arose 'go to the toilet'. So I went. I couldn't sense an emotion there (unless urgency is an emotion). I decided to quiz my husband as well, because I found him applying for another job in the same field as he is now. When I asked him who made the decision, he was adamant it was him. We traced it back to a conversation we had earlier about the issues he'd faced this week at work. Again, it all boiled down to a thought, 'they don't appreciate my worth', which produced a depressive emotion, which prompted him to go online and apply for another job. He didn't make the decision at all.....

Our lives lived are thoughts lived.
best wishes
Yaz

Ok, thank you.

So what is it that's happening when no thoughts arise or when the thought is seen through?

With best wishes,
John

[Yaz]

Hello John,

First, I have processed a bit more of an 'explanation' for you in terms of 'our lives lived are thoughts lived'. I AM thoughts... meaning awareness IS awareness and awareness IS THOUGHT. Thoughts don't arise. Thoughts just ARE as awareness just IS. Everything just IS. Everything happens.

Your question: 'So what is it that is happening when no thoughts arise or when the thought is seen through?'

I tried to create a space of no thought. Its a tricky thing, because it seems as if there is a space of no thought, but 'that 'space' of no thought' is a thought too. The thought 'space' creates the illusion of dispelling thought.. We can't get away from it. Everything has to be thought through. We use thought to sense our universe. Even to FEEL is to think. A feeling creates a thought...NO...a feeling IS a thought. They may be a different qualities of thought, but FEELING and SENSING are thoughts. Thought is present ALL THE TIME. Awareness creates awareness of thought, but it is present all the time. To be aware of awareness, I have to THINK awareness. I FEEL/THINK space.Even in 'space' thoughts are always present. There is no space between thoughts. Spaciousness itself is illusion.

To see a thought through is to recognize it as just a thought and part of the illusion. REALITY is all this: it is being able to see that awareness is thought and thought is manifest as 'physical' objects, 'physical' life.

Thanks John!

[s-p-a-c-e]

Hi Yaz,

Hello John,

First, I have processed a bit more of an 'explanation' for you in terms of 'our lives lived are thoughts lived'. I AM thoughts... meaning awareness IS awareness and awareness IS THOUGHT. Thoughts don't arise. Thoughts just ARE as awareness just IS. Everything just IS. Everything happens.

Your question: 'So what is it that is happening when no thoughts arise or when the thought is seen through?'

I tried to create a space of no thought. Its a tricky thing, because it seems as if there is a space of no thought, but 'that 'space' of no thought' is a thought too. The thought 'space' creates the illusion of dispelling thought.. We can't get away from it. Everything has to be thought through. We use thought to sense our universe. Even to FEEL is to think. A feeling creates a thought...NO...a feeling IS a thought. They may be a different qualities of thought, but FEELING and SENSING are thoughts. Thought is present ALL THE TIME. Awareness creates awareness of thought, but it is present all the time. To be aware of awareness, I have to THINK awareness. I FEEL/THINK space.Even in 'space' thoughts are always present. There is no space between thoughts. Spaciousness itself is illusion.

To see a thought through is to recognize it as just a thought and part of the illusion. REALITY is all this: it is being able to see that awareness is thought and thought is manifest as 'physical' objects, 'physical' life.

Thanks John!

Thank you for the clarity. There are so many ways in which the word "thought" and "thinking" is used. :)

The key here is to see whether there is a thinker. To see whether there is any personal aspect to awareness at all.

It may be just words, but is awareness something that can be made aware of?

What can be aware of awareness?


WIth best wishes,
John

[Yaz]

Hello John! I hope you're doing good out there in the cold!

As can be seen in the text I sent yesterday, there is no thinker and awareness just is. As for the personal aspect, I started on that question, which led to this (check from November 7th entry...we've arrived here today from exploring that question-perhaps you've forgotten).

Thanks for your time John.
With appreciation,
Yaz

[s-p-a-c-e]

Hi Yaz,

Hello John! I hope you're doing good out there in the cold!

As can be seen in the text I sent yesterday, there is no thinker and awareness just is. As for the personal aspect, I started on that question, which led to this (check from November 7th entry...we've arrived here today from exploring that question-perhaps you've forgotten).

Thanks for your time John.
With appreciation,
Yaz

Not forgotten, just re-confirming. :)

Have to shoot now...but will catch up later.

Best wishes,
John

[Yaz]

Okay John, that's great. Will wait for further questions.
Best wishes!

[s-p-a-c-e]

Hi Yaz,

Would you take a look afresh at the these clarifying questions please and respond with whatever naturally comes up.

Thank you!

1) Is there a 'me', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever? how about self, is there anything that is separate from everything else?


2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works.


3) How does it feel to see this? describe in detail.


4) How would you describe it to somebody who has never heard about this illusion but is curious about it.


5) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look? was there a specific moment when seeing happened or was it gradual? what exactly happened?


6) When you say "I", what are you referring to?


7) Is there an experiencer experiencing, or is there only experience?


8) Actually look. Does experience belong to the body, or does the body belong to experience?


9) What did you experience at the moment you awoke?


10) Describe your experience in the hours and days following awakening.


With warm wishes,
John

[Yaz]

Thank you John! There's a lot here to write, so I'll get back to you as soon as its done. I won't be around today, so might be day after tomorrow if I don't get a chance tomorrow (I WILL try). Meanwhile, have a lovely weekend.

Best wishes,
Yaz

[s-p-a-c-e]

Hi Yaz,

Please feel free to respond to one or more at a time, if that fits easier with the day.

With best wishes,
John