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[Maymay]

Good evening Stacy

When you look at the word label ‘GREEN’, what is the actual experience?

Te actual experience is red

Is the red color "experienced" or is color green "experienced" as the label suggests?

in visual experience red is experienced, however thought also creates an image of the green color

Do the labels have a one-to-one correspondence with "reality?"

No

Or do the labels suggest something else other than what is here now (red color)?

yes, the label suggests something different from what is actually experienced

Is green-ness an inherent attribute of the "experience" of the red color; or is green just a word label on the experience of the red color?

just a word label on the experience of the red color

If the label ‘GREEN’ is replaced with the label ‘GOOD’ or ‘BAD’, is the redness affected in any way as the labels suggests?

No

Does redness become "good" or "bad," or do the labels have no effect whatsoever on ‘reality’?

No effect

[Anastacia42]

Yes. Keep noticing how it FEELS to see. This is not about right answers. This is about your experience of seeing.

Actual/Direct Experience - Apple

Have a look at an apple (or any fruit you like.) If you have a ‘real’ apple, you can use it for this exercise. Google for a picture of an apple.



When looking at an apple, there's color; a thought saying ‘apple’; and maybe a thought saying, "I'm looking at an apple."

What is known for sure? Color is known and thoughts are known.

What about the content of thoughts, what they describe?

Actual experience does not refer to thoughts ABOUT something…because that is only just more thought.

Actual experience is sound, thought, color, smell, taste, sensation and the fact of thought arising, but not its content.

Is there really an ‘apple’ here, or only color and a thought ABOUT ‘apple’?

Can ‘apple’ be found in actual experience?

While these thoughts are known, what they talk ABOUT can't be found in actual experience.

This is what is meant by "looking in actual experience." What you know for sure, and, is always here.

Taste labeled ‘apple’ is known
Color labeled ‘apple’ is known
Sensation labeled ‘apple’ is known (when apple is touched)
Smell labeled ‘apple’ is known
Thought about/of an ‘apple’ is known

However, is an apple actually known?

Have fun, relax and let me know what you find out.

Loving,

[Maymay]

Hi Stacy ,
I find this really challenging.
It is clear that only the perceptions labeled as apple are known but apple is precisely the name given to that object perceived through the senses. This makes me confused..
what you wrote is clear but I'm missing something or I can't see this absence of the apple. the name could change or not have a name at all, it's not a question of the label (or at least that's what it seems to me) but the object remains
can we delve deeper?

Thanks

[Anastacia42]

Let go. Stop believing thinking.

"Enlightenment is an accident. Meditation makes us accident prone."

Did you ever see "The Matrix?"

https://youtu.be/Ph02o6K2aoo?si=ipJkPKL7unJ86X0-

There really is no "deeper." There is just this.

So, here is a pointer that may force you to look, not think:

ButtChair

Please LOOK for any place where your butt ends & the chair begins.

Is there any clear dividing line between them? Or only the Sensation with no clear division?


It is simple direct & nonverbal. Just LOOK.

Then write what is true.

I did only this and nothing else for 3 months and then saw. It crept up on me while I was sitting at a stoplight. Seeing often happens when we are simply relaxed and looking. I should say, it ONLY happens when we are relaxed and LOOKING. All of this thinking is useless. Truly.

Loving,

[Maymay]

Goog evening Stacy

Let go. Stop believing thinking.

Forgive me but the question is: how?

Enlightenment is an accident. Meditation makes us accident prone."

Does this mean it would be good for me to start meditating?

Did you ever see "The Matrix?"

Yes I have seen it many times. Now I looked at the piece you sent me and I wonder why you sent it to me.

Please LOOK for any place where your butt ends & the chair begins.

I searched but in the raw sensation there is no. There is rather the thought that continually overlaps with a mental image of the butt on the chair and their meeting point. But it is only thought

Is there any clear dividing line between them? Or only the Sensation with no clear division?

Just an indefinable feeling

I did only this and nothing else for 3 months and then saw. It crept up on me while I was sitting at a stoplight. Seeing often happens when we are simply relaxed and looking. I should say, it ONLY happens when we are relaxed and LOOKING. All of this thinking is useless. Truly.

I understand, please bear with me, I am a thought addict.

Hug

[Anastacia42]

Forgive me but the question is: how?

By paying attention *only* to Direct Experience as we painted in the Colored Socks pointer. Reread that if you need to.

I mean these pointers I'm giving you are meditation. This is not about right answers. It is about what you See, Feel, Hear.

I sent it because there's no spoon. no apple & no self.

We need to cure that thought addiction. You're correct. It is very much like an addiction.

Much love

[Maymay]

ok thanks a lot for your answers! Now I continue with the suggestions you have given me so far or do you have something else to tell me?

We need to cure that thought addiction.

let's do it!

Thanks 🙏

[Anastacia42]

Right now, continue with ButtChair.

I have some recorded pointers in my DropBox. I can send those next time.

Loving,

[Maymay]

Hi Stacy, I continue with the butt-chair, every day, several times, I can't find a line where my butt ends and the chair begins, the border exists only in thought.. all that is there is an indefinable sensation, difficult even to grasp with concentration, the more I try to focus on it the more evanescent it becomes
Best wishes

[Anastacia42]

Correct!

Just like "self, " which exists only in thought.

Seeing one will help you see the other.

KEEP LOOKING

Loving

[Anastacia42]

May, how is it going?

Here are some more ways to LOOK. Be sure to listen to the Introduction.

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/k1ph01pt ... wpfyb&dl=0

Loving