Seeking the end of Seeking

[Govinda]

Hi there, suffering seemed to bind attention these days.

There is only one thing to focus on when those pesky thoughts arrive, and that is when recognition that they were present happened, did you celebrate it?

Celebration happens by itself if thoughts are seen as unreal. Before that no celebration.

When it does, it could be because stories are still believed, or it could be because it's an ingrained habitual responses to certain triggers.
Can you distinguish between the two and tell me which one applies to the responses that pop up?

It is both. Habitual and believed.

That's probably an impossible effort.

Directing attention on sensation instead of thoughts is possible I guess.

A skillful technique is to allow the stories to run their race, but to keep a commentary running. like a narrator describing what is going on.
Remember to celebrate the moment when you realize that a story is running. That's also the trigger to start the narrator.

Narratative and stories are the same I guess. Not sympathizing with mental approaches either. Preferring to feel sensations.

I say "look forward to it coming back as an opportunity to dig deeper. To look at what is behind it when it happens.

I try to stick with the feelings and sensations when suffering arises and sometimes the story falls apart then but it seems to take a lot of effort each time.

[vinceschubert]

Celebration happens by itself if thoughts are seen as unreal.

Never has the content of a thought been real. Thoughts are always ABOUT something. They are never IT.

It is both. Habitual and believed.

Where does belief fit in habits?

Directing attention on sensation instead of thoughts is possible I guess.

it gets easier with practice.

Narratative and stories are the same I guess

Not necessarily the same. Narration should be descriptive and free of opinion. Stories on the other hand...

Not sympathizing with mental approaches either. Preferring to feel sensations.

We need both. It's the mental stuff that got you into the shit in the first place. The sensations are a way out of it.

it seems to take a lot of effort each time.

Again, less and less effort with practice.

with love

vince

[Govinda]

hi again, here are happening cycles of suffering apparently. bodily issues, guilt. shame, agitation, helplessness, grief, like a real movie. kinda funny seen with some distance.

Never has the content of a thought been real. Thoughts are always ABOUT something. They are never IT.

yes of course.

Where does belief fit in habits?

habit is to believe. beliefs are habitual.

Directing attention on sensation instead of thoughts is possible I guess.

it gets easier with practice.

actually it is huge effort and doesn`t really work. I think I won`t go that way any more. I go the way of no fucks given.

We need both. It's the mental stuff that got you into the shit in the first place. The sensations are a way out of it.

Actually every way becomes effort, creates inner conflicts, resistance and doesn`t work seemingly. I do the way of no fucks given. As Balsekar recommends: Who cares?! third stage

Again, less and less effort with practice.

no practice any more. I am sick of f*** practices. this is prison. this is hell.

[Govinda]

hi again, here are happening cycles of suffering apparently. bodily issues, guilt. shame, agitation, helplessness, grief, like a real movie. kinda funny seen with some distance.

Never has the content of a thought been real. Thoughts are always ABOUT something. They are never IT.

yes of course.

Where does belief fit in habits?

habit is to believe. beliefs are habitual.

Directing attention on sensation instead of thoughts is possible I guess.

it gets easier with practice.

actually it is huge effort and doesn`t really work. I think I won`t go that way any more. I go the way of no f**** given.

We need both. It's the mental stuff that got you into the shit in the first place. The sensations are a way out of it.

Actually every way becomes effort, creates inner conflicts, resistance and doesn`t work seemingly. I do the way of no f**** given. As Balsekar suggests: Who cares?! third stage

Again, less and less effort with practice.

no practice any more. I am sick of f*** practices. Who gives a f**** about practices?

[vinceschubert]

no practice any more. I am sick of f*** practices. Who gives a f**** about practices?

Are you saying that you give up, or do you want to try and find a different way through?

vince

[Govinda]

Hi there, can we continue the inquiry?

no practice any more. I am sick of f*** practices. Who gives a f**** about practices?

Are you saying that you give up, or do you want to try and find a different way through?

vince

I did a lot of process work on a bodily and emotional level but suffering seems endless. can we continue the inquiry? I just want to see reality as it is. no more drama, no more mind games. just reality as it is.
regards, Govinda

[vinceschubert]

Hey Seb, let's have a 1 to 1 zoom session.
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vince

[vinceschubert]

Hey Seb, i guess you don't want a face to face, so let's continue here.

I did a lot of process work on a bodily and emotional level but suffering seems endless. can we continue the inquiry? I just want to see reality as it is. no more drama, no more mind games. just reality as it is.

Perfect. You’re raw, ready, and done with illusions. That’s the fuel.

Let’s dive, now—*not conceptually*, but right into the wound. You said you've done a lot of bodily and emotional process work—but suffering still seems endless. So, here’s the only place to start:

👉 **Right now, in this moment—what is the actual suffering?**

Don’t answer with a story.
Don’t analyze.
Drop the drama.
No backstory.

Just sit for a second. Feel it.

**Where is it in the body?**
**What exactly is happening?** Not the *label* (“anxiety,” “sadness”), but the actual texture—tightness, heat, pulse, constriction?

Be ruthless. Don’t give me the name of the monster—show me its breath on your neck.

Ready? Describe exactly what’s going on in the body *now*. No mind. No commentary. Just the raw data. Let’s go...


vince