Beginner looking for liberation

[Elad]

I get it, that the shift my mind is imagining, can’t be it. But there is liberation isn‘t it?
At the moment, there is tiredness and the body feels heavy. So what is falling asleep tonight? And what wakes up tomorrow?

By asking me and looking for this you stay focused on feelings and imagination. Not sure what else to say right now.

As for the questions you asked about going to sleep and waking up, yes that's the question for you.

[Jay85]

Yes, I do so! Sorry, It’s not that easy to keep the mind out of this. All this energetics seems to let me jump on the thought train..
I heard onces an interesting sentence: „Don’t believe a single thought“

Who do I differentiate between thought and direct experience?

[Elad]

That is a good question, how to differentiate. At this point it will take you to more thinking, I believe.

Stay laser sharp on: Is there a self/doer/controller? If anything is being taken to be a self or "feels like a self" (= is believed strongly to be a self), is it true?

Only investigate that. Only how it directly is seen here-now.

[Jay85]

It’s like a reflex, isn’t it? This writing e.g comes from nowhere and thoughts claim to be in charge of it. I mean that quite obvious, or not? Nothing of this text have been pre-thought be a centered self. I did a little nh drive today. There was no self driving this car. Driving did happen automatically. Shouldn’t this be scary to me? Weirdly I’m quite comfortable with that and I don’t know why.

[Elad]

Yes!

Why should it be scary to you?

What is this you it should be scary to?

[Elad]

Do this exercise for periods of your day:

Label experience:

I see
I feel
I hear
I smell
I taste
I think

Play with it in different ways, explore it. Write me what is seen.

[Jay85]

Yes!

Why should it be scary to you?

What is this you it should be scary to?

Hi Elad,

yes that's a good question. I really don't know, I guess it*s a believe, that this should work this way. I read some books and stories... so the mind created this concept of it:Almost all people would be scared if the would know that they are an illusion and do not exist as an separate self, so my assumption is that I should be scared as well.

During this typing I feel pressure in my face and in my jaw, my vision distorts, but there is no self.

I do report my seen of the exercise tomorrow. I had 2 long drives yesterday and today.

[Elad]

Certainly while there is a belief in the thought of self, the thought of no self can be scary or depressing. That's all on the level of believing thoughts and emotional reactions to believing those thoughts.

Awaiting to here what was seen doing the exercise.

[Jay85]

The „I“ in I hear, think, taste etc. seems to be a pendant which is not necessary or fundamental. Hearing happens and seen happens, nothing more.

While I did play around over the day with the exercise, the questions „Where am I?“, „where is this I?“ did po-up several times. Should I go with this Enquiry?

[Elad]

Exactly. Yes go on with those inquiries, write me what is experienced.

[Jay85]

Hi Elad, today was a day full of energetics and frustration. There was a lot of tension in the whole body and the monkey mind was quite active. The inquiries also led to silence and flow states. Quite exhausting. Thought have been busy and I was trying to find where these I thoughts come from... Not easy.

Hope the energetics do settle a little. Focus is not easy in this state.

[Elad]

How are things moving?

[Jay85]

Dear Elad,

Sorry for my late response. I did not get a notification from your posting. Somehow they seem to be stopped. I thought that you are quite busy or so. I just checked be chance the forum and thought to post an update. I‘m really sorry about that, I need to check the settings here.

The energetics did settle over the weekend and noticed quite a release when they settled. One idea that came up is that the resistance seems to be the source of „me“. I‘m is pushing and pulling against this, but looking for there is noting to find, I’m trying to feel into this and keep to leave the thought where they are.

The last couple of days, I had more and more the feeling that trees are alive, I can’t really tell what I mean by that. It’s obvious that trees are organic, but its more that the whole environment is alive. It’s kind of scary, there is a feeling to back off of this seeing.

[Elad]

Things are moving well. Invite the fear you mentioned closer. What is it trying to protect? And what exactly does it feel like in terms of sensations?

When it feels right keep tuning in to the sense of aliveness. Does it have a place it comes from or goes to or a separation?

[Jay85]

The fear is kind of sneaky. I’m trying to stay focused, but it’s pretty quit at the moment. Kind of fuzzy I think it’s because I’m quite busy at work and my daughter sick so I have to take care of her. Keep the narrative rolling.

Tomorrow, I will try to sit in meditation for long period and to explore this. I will report what is seen tomorrow.


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