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Re: ???
Wonderful. So, in your own time, please answer the final questions again. Even though you have answered before, please let it be fresh and from the heart now. Other guides will get to look at these answers also, and maybe they will have helpful comments or questions. After that I will share with you about the nice options for continued "playing and exploring together" after "graduating LU". I'll resend the questions in next message. Please answer all in one message and with each answer clearly after the question, so it's easy to track for other guides.
With love,
Elad
Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.
- Kahlil Gibran
One gets there by being there.
- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)
Elad
Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.
- Kahlil Gibran
One gets there by being there.
- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)
Re: ???
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
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2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
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3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before we started this dialogue? Please report from the past couple of days.
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4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?
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5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control.
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6) What makes things happen? How does it work?
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7) What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
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8) Anything to add?
ANSWER:
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2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
ANSWER:
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before we started this dialogue? Please report from the past couple of days.
ANSWER:
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?
ANSWER:
5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control.
ANSWER:
6) What makes things happen? How does it work?
ANSWER:
7) What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
ANSWER:
8) Anything to add?
ANSWER:
With love,
Elad
Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.
- Kahlil Gibran
One gets there by being there.
- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)
Elad
Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.
- Kahlil Gibran
One gets there by being there.
- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)
Re: ???
Thank you Elad ,
Answer 1.
No and no .
Answer 2.
The thoughts which appear in the mind which are not relevant to direct experience which are then believed as real and circle into a story which has no basis in fact / reality.
Answer 3.
Much more relaxed . No longer looking for results generally. Less reactive in challenging situations. No judgement of past actions . A sense of an intuition about things .
Answer 4.
Realising that the resistance that was coming up isn’t separate.
Answer 5.
Decision . In direct experience this just happens. Many times it has felt that indecision governs , but what has been seen is that a decision is always made . Even if it happens that these change rapidly, they are still just happening.
Intention is something which arrives spontaneously and is acted upon in the moment.
Free will is all there is it just doesn’t belong to an illusory self.
Choice and control . Pre determined preferences which make it appear that we choose. Control works through us but not of us .
Answer 8
During the completion of these questions I was faced with an extremely challenging situation within my family . It was experienced from an entirely different reference point to what would normally be the case . Something very significant felt to be being shown.
Answer 1.
No and no .
Answer 2.
The thoughts which appear in the mind which are not relevant to direct experience which are then believed as real and circle into a story which has no basis in fact / reality.
Answer 3.
Much more relaxed . No longer looking for results generally. Less reactive in challenging situations. No judgement of past actions . A sense of an intuition about things .
Answer 4.
Realising that the resistance that was coming up isn’t separate.
Answer 5.
Decision . In direct experience this just happens. Many times it has felt that indecision governs , but what has been seen is that a decision is always made . Even if it happens that these change rapidly, they are still just happening.
Intention is something which arrives spontaneously and is acted upon in the moment.
Free will is all there is it just doesn’t belong to an illusory self.
Choice and control . Pre determined preferences which make it appear that we choose. Control works through us but not of us .
Answer 8
During the completion of these questions I was faced with an extremely challenging situation within my family . It was experienced from an entirely different reference point to what would normally be the case . Something very significant felt to be being shown.
Re: ???
Beautiful 🌻
Before I share this with other guides:
1) when you say all is free will, do you mean that these words exhaustively describe direct experience/the whole? Or your description was more of the feeling of freedom without self-illusion, whereas the whole/direct experience is beyond any description?
2) Re answer eight. Would it feel possible and befitting to share a little more what was seen?
Before I share this with other guides:
1) when you say all is free will, do you mean that these words exhaustively describe direct experience/the whole? Or your description was more of the feeling of freedom without self-illusion, whereas the whole/direct experience is beyond any description?
2) Re answer eight. Would it feel possible and befitting to share a little more what was seen?
With love,
Elad
Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.
- Kahlil Gibran
One gets there by being there.
- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)
Elad
Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.
- Kahlil Gibran
One gets there by being there.
- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)
Re: ???
I meant that there is only will. The free part would relate to whether there was choice, which there isn’t . So I think that is the second option you gave .
I was about to answer the question on responsibility when my daughter started a conversation . She was unaware of what I was doing and preceded to challenge me quite aggressively about my responsibilities to her throughout her life . It was so on point it was almost comical. There were various sensations felt internally . Some reactions observed , no apparent immediate resolution to the issues but much understanding. Most significant though for this being was the lack of residue following the interact. This is rare !
I was about to answer the question on responsibility when my daughter started a conversation . She was unaware of what I was doing and preceded to challenge me quite aggressively about my responsibilities to her throughout her life . It was so on point it was almost comical. There were various sensations felt internally . Some reactions observed , no apparent immediate resolution to the issues but much understanding. Most significant though for this being was the lack of residue following the interact. This is rare !
Re: ???
Glad to hear 💗
When you say "there is only will" do you mean "will equals direct experience" or: "when speaking in terms of will, will happens by itself. However, will is just a label, and the whole/this is beyond labels"?
When you say "there is only will" do you mean "will equals direct experience" or: "when speaking in terms of will, will happens by itself. However, will is just a label, and the whole/this is beyond labels"?
With love,
Elad
Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.
- Kahlil Gibran
One gets there by being there.
- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)
Elad
Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.
- Kahlil Gibran
One gets there by being there.
- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)
Re: ???
Thank you. I will now share your answers at the guide forum and will write again when there are responses from other guides.
With love,
Elad
Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.
- Kahlil Gibran
One gets there by being there.
- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)
Elad
Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.
- Kahlil Gibran
One gets there by being there.
- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)
Re: ???
Dear Anrol,
Four other guides have looked and confirmed seeing, they had no questions.
It has been a real pleasure to guide you and I am grateful that you allowed me to walk this path with you. I would just like to give some final things to consider:
For the vast majority of us this is not the end of awakening. Deepening, clarifying and letting go continues. Doubt may or may not put in an appearance, this is normal. Adverse conditioned responses and old patterns will get triggered when circumstances align. With future patterns and beliefs to be seen through, the same seeing that took you through the gate will put these in perspective too. The invitation is to walk lighter in the experiencing.
Paying it forward by guiding is a great way to 'deepen' and is a possibility that you may wish to consider.
You will be invited to the Unleashed FB group. You are encouraged to use it to communicate with others that have recently 'gated'. You are invited to any of 3 weekly free zoom groups where you can work on anything that comes up or support and guide people who "have not crossed the gateless gate". (for zoom meetings, email vinceschubert@gmail.com)
I will greet you at the facebook group if you join, and we can connect there. And I am always happy to hear from you if you feel like sharing on how things evolve.
Much love
Four other guides have looked and confirmed seeing, they had no questions.
It has been a real pleasure to guide you and I am grateful that you allowed me to walk this path with you. I would just like to give some final things to consider:
For the vast majority of us this is not the end of awakening. Deepening, clarifying and letting go continues. Doubt may or may not put in an appearance, this is normal. Adverse conditioned responses and old patterns will get triggered when circumstances align. With future patterns and beliefs to be seen through, the same seeing that took you through the gate will put these in perspective too. The invitation is to walk lighter in the experiencing.
Paying it forward by guiding is a great way to 'deepen' and is a possibility that you may wish to consider.
You will be invited to the Unleashed FB group. You are encouraged to use it to communicate with others that have recently 'gated'. You are invited to any of 3 weekly free zoom groups where you can work on anything that comes up or support and guide people who "have not crossed the gateless gate". (for zoom meetings, email vinceschubert@gmail.com)
I will greet you at the facebook group if you join, and we can connect there. And I am always happy to hear from you if you feel like sharing on how things evolve.
Much love
With love,
Elad
Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.
- Kahlil Gibran
One gets there by being there.
- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)
Elad
Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.
- Kahlil Gibran
One gets there by being there.
- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)
Re: ???
Dear Elad ,
Thank you , I can’t begin to find the words to express my gratitude to you for your patience and your warmth . I am deeply thankful for all you have done to guide me so far on this mysterious journey.
I look forward to joining the FB group and would be very willing and honoured to guide when the time is right.
Much love and gratitude.
Anrol
Thank you , I can’t begin to find the words to express my gratitude to you for your patience and your warmth . I am deeply thankful for all you have done to guide me so far on this mysterious journey.
I look forward to joining the FB group and would be very willing and honoured to guide when the time is right.
Much love and gratitude.
Anrol
Re: ???
Beautiful, Anrol, we will stay in touch 💚 See you on FB. Much love!
With love,
Elad
Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.
- Kahlil Gibran
One gets there by being there.
- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)
Elad
Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.
- Kahlil Gibran
One gets there by being there.
- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)
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