Seeking guidance on Recognizing no-Self experientially

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Re: Seeking guidance on Recognizing no-Self experientially

Postby Elad » Thu Mar 21, 2024 9:11 am

Greetings Elad !
Is that a problem? If yes why? Why would it be a problem or wrong to have "a sense of I" functioning while it is known that it is not a separate self?
Hmm, you made me think . For good. It is not a problem when it is known all the time that it is not a separate self.


Trying again to answer earlier inquiry questions -
Do you control attention?
Do you control feelings?
Do you control choices?
On my Direct experience , I am not controlling attention or feelings or choices. It shows up as experiences.

Great attending here!

Now please look at the idea of "no self being seen all the time". Can "all the time" future and past be found in direct experience? Or does that inherently make awareness lose itself in conceptuality?
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Elad

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Re: Seeking guidance on Recognizing no-Self experientially

Postby NoMind » Fri Mar 22, 2024 4:42 am

Greetings Elad !
Can "all the time" future and past be found in direct experience? Or does that inherently make awareness lose itself in conceptuality?
I see what you mean .
Direct Experience is always of the present moment . No future, no past. Awareness is always there being aware of all experiences.

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Re: Seeking guidance on Recognizing no-Self experientially

Postby Elad » Fri Mar 22, 2024 3:35 pm

Greetings Elad !
Can "all the time" future and past be found in direct experience? Or does that inherently make awareness lose itself in conceptuality?
I see what you mean .
Direct Experience is always of the present moment . No future, no past. Awareness is always there being aware of all experiences.
Right on!

So there is no separate self in control, self is only a thought - is it true?

How does it feel?
With love,
Elad

Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.

- Kahlil Gibran

One gets there by being there.

- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)

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Re: Seeking guidance on Recognizing no-Self experientially

Postby NoMind » Sat Mar 23, 2024 6:19 am

Greetings Elad !
So there is no separate self in control, self is only a thought - is it true?
Yes, it is true . Self is only a thought and is not in control.
How does it feel?
At peace. There is no one to feel it .

Regards !

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Re: Seeking guidance on Recognizing no-Self experientially

Postby Elad » Sat Mar 23, 2024 7:46 am

Lovely! Please answer the following questions in one message. Make sure you answer each one below "ANSWER" so it is easy for the other guides to track what questions you are answering individually. Make sure to answer all questions. Take all the time you need and enjoy. After receiving your answers maybe we will inquire more together or maybe 3 other guides will have some things to inquire into with you. After that process you and I will talk about onwards, lovely opportunities to stay in touch, exchange and explore with "like-minded/hearted". Remember, answer only from direct experience, not from conviction or past experience. If something doesn't feel possible to answer, stay honest to that. Keep it simple and real. Enjoy.





1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

ANSWER:

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

ANSWER:

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before we started this dialogue? Please report from the past couple of days.

ANSWER:

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?

ANSWER:

5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control.

ANSWER:

6) What makes things happen? How does it work?

ANSWER:

7) What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

ANSWER:

8) Anything to add?

ANSWER
With love,
Elad

Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.

- Kahlil Gibran

One gets there by being there.

- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)

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Re: Seeking guidance on Recognizing no-Self experientially

Postby NoMind » Mon Mar 25, 2024 4:19 pm

Greetings Elad !
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
ANSWER:
No, there is no separate entity 'self' ,'me', or 'I' exist on any shape of form. It was never there at all.
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
ANSWER:
Illusion of separate self is when there is a belief that there is a separate "I" or "Me" living in the body, who controls bodily movements , thoughts , emotions, feelings, sensations and makes decisions.
I don’t know when it all started . Being taught at toddler age, could have learned to interact with the "others" with this body /mind mechanism as "Setu", in which "I" lives , makes the decisions, thinking the thoughts, controls the things, and owns various experience of life including the sensations of pleasure , pain and suffering.
With the direct looking -
"I" or "the self" is nothing but the collection of the stories, conditioning, images, likes, dislikes, sensations, feelings . "I" or "the self" is just a fictitious entity, nowhere to be found or seen.
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before we started this dialogue? Please report from the past couple of days.
ANSWER:
A great Relief. It feels free, light, not personal, not to do this or that, not to go somewhere , not a doer and no ownership on whatever life brings. Old habit is still there like Thoughts , Feelings, emotions, sensations still shows up with its stories, but on direct Seeing, It dissolves without sticking. Life happens, experience happens and yet Nothing happens. Isn't it wonderful ?
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?
ANSWER:
When LU encouraged to look Without "ME" and its stories - from the direct experience and not from the conceptual thinking and the prior knowledge. In direct seeing only able to see an illusionary self, I, Me as thought , without any form or shape . This fictitious entity do not exist anywhere. Experiences happens but no owner to claim those.
5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control.
ANSWER:
Examples like - Making free will decisions and choices on day to day activities like to drink coffee vs tea, or to eat oatmeal vs bread , OR to work on the Intention to achieve self-realization, and trying to controlling the outcome of an action is illusion.
There is no separate self or "I" who is making any decision, or has any free will , making any choices or control any movements , sensations or feelings. They are just the thoughts arising in the awareness.
6) What makes things happen? How does it work?
ANSWER:
Things happens, life happens with no reason , with no ownership or doership. "I" don’t know how anything happens. It just happens and awareness aware of these experiences.
7) What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
ANSWER:
Nothing. There is no separate Self or "I" responsible for anything. "I" do not exist to think the thoughts , feel the feelings or sensations. Those are the experiences, which comes and goes in awareness with no one to pick up and experience those.
8) Anything to add?
ANSWER
My sincere gratitude to Elad and LU for your guidance on this Self-Inquiry process. Thank you !

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Re: Seeking guidance on Recognizing no-Self experientially

Postby Elad » Mon Mar 25, 2024 5:27 pm

Thank you Setu, beautiful! One other guide looked at the answers and asks:

Is there really awareness aware of experiences OR being aware of experiences?
With love,
Elad

Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.

- Kahlil Gibran

One gets there by being there.

- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)

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Re: Seeking guidance on Recognizing no-Self experientially

Postby NoMind » Mon Mar 25, 2024 6:23 pm

Greetings Elad ,
Is there really awareness aware of experiences OR being aware of experiences?
It is simply - Being aware of experiences.

Regards !

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Re: Seeking guidance on Recognizing no-Self experientially

Postby Elad » Tue Mar 26, 2024 6:34 pm

Dear Setu, 3 other guides reviewed your answers and had no questions, meaning that you graduated LU :) You will be invited to the Unleashed Facebook group and I will be happy to connect with you there. You can also email me to eladexplore1111@gmail.com. Either way, when we connect let's talk about opportunities to meet and explore with other gatecrashers. All ready I will share with you the link to weekly meetings with Vince Schubert, a fellow guide. These meetings are free and a great place to share and talk with likeminded. I come by myself pretty often. Always feel free to reach out to me to share or ask questions. It has been a pleasure to walk with you 🤍

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With love,
Elad

Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.

- Kahlil Gibran

One gets there by being there.

- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)

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Re: Seeking guidance on Recognizing no-Self experientially

Postby NoMind » Wed Mar 27, 2024 4:04 am

Greetings Elad!
Thank you so much for guiding me.
My sincere gratitude to LU and all guides for showing us all the truth .

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Re: Seeking guidance on Recognizing no-Self experientially

Postby Elad » Wed Mar 27, 2024 9:38 am

Greetings Elad!
Thank you so much for guiding me.
My sincere gratitude to LU and all guides for showing us all the truth .
🙏🤍
With love,
Elad

Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.

- Kahlil Gibran

One gets there by being there.

- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)


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