Hi, thank you. Regarding your relational thoughts, it's really good to explore with like-minded after seeing. I will share more on that later. There is a natural period of adjustment after seeing. Part of it is that sometimes we get stuck in reifying no-self or consciousness (making it into a belief in something concrete) and creating stories about what that means. This is of course all just stores. No-self or consciousness are, as you know, not something to be believed in and held on to, but just pointer words that can support the process of letting go of believing thoughts/self in rigid and unhelpful ways. If you have questions to this let me know. Otherwise go to the final questions (next post).These are a few things that came up when I asked the questions.
How is this effecting how you relate with..
Relationships and what others think of you
• Yes and no. Thoughts pop up and sometimes identification happens, when i become aware i drop into just the sensations irising. It comes in waves. Mind does still circulate thoughts like I don’t want to talk about ppls stories and I sometimes associate engaging with ppl in that way as it puts me into personal identification. But again I see that just as another thought. Then a thought comes that how will I stay connected with ppl when not relating on that level and what will happen to my relationships (marriage/ friendships) as I become more empty of self.
I’m not trying to fix the problems of the mind, just sitting with each thing as it arises and goes and trying to trust the process.
Self-image
• Im feeling more and more empty of identity.
I don’t worry too much but sometimes I’m getting disorientated so a thought comes up if I’ll function properly around ppl, or remember things i need to.
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Re: Transcending the illusion
With love,
Elad
Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.
- Kahlil Gibran
One gets there by being there.
- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)
Elad
Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.
- Kahlil Gibran
One gets there by being there.
- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)
Re: Transcending the illusion
Please answer the following questions in one message. Make sure you answer each one below "ANSWER" so it is easy for the other guides to track what questions you are answering individually. Make sure to answer all questions. Take all the time you need and enjoy. After receiving your answers maybe we will inquire more together or maybe 3 other guides will have some things to inquire into with you. After that you and I will talk about onwards, lovely opportunities to stay in touch and exchange with "like-minded/hearted". Remember, answer only from direct experience, not from conviction or past experience. If something doesn't feel possible to answer, stay honest to that. Keep it simple and real. Enjoy.
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
ANSWER:
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
ANSWER:
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before we started this dialogue? Please report from the past couple of days.
ANSWER:
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?
ANSWER:
5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control.
ANSWER:
6) What makes things happen? How does it work?
ANSWER:
7) What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
ANSWER:
8) Anything to add?
ANSWER
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
ANSWER:
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
ANSWER:
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before we started this dialogue? Please report from the past couple of days.
ANSWER:
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?
ANSWER:
5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control.
ANSWER:
6) What makes things happen? How does it work?
ANSWER:
7) What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
ANSWER:
8) Anything to add?
ANSWER
With love,
Elad
Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.
- Kahlil Gibran
One gets there by being there.
- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)
Elad
Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.
- Kahlil Gibran
One gets there by being there.
- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)
Re: Transcending the illusion
One more thing before final questions. There is no contradiction between this process and enjoying stories or listening to others empathically. If we believe in no-self as belief we might try to push stories away, but as we let go into just seeing, we can allow stories and sharing to happen with openness and care. We can enjoy movies too and we can let our child enjoy their belief in Santa until they don't. All that being said, when the seeing is fresh, there is a natural adjustment which might both include the wish for times of silence and a natural impulse to let go of taking part in stories that no longer serve us.
With love,
Elad
Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.
- Kahlil Gibran
One gets there by being there.
- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)
Elad
Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.
- Kahlil Gibran
One gets there by being there.
- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)
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Re: Transcending the illusion
Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
ANSWER:
No.
It’s just like a movie that’s playing on a screen but the “I/ Self/ Me” has never been seperate from anything.
1) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
ANSWER:
The illusion of the seperate self is when consciousness fixates on the movie on the the characters, the story and takes itself to be that, forgetting it’s the entirety of the screen that the movie’s playing out on.
How I see and experience this now is a thought arises, attention might go to it for a moment then awareness dilates out and I see it as something arising in a kind of unbounded vastness, the thought has not boundaries, it’s just consciousness. Then a kind of dropping in or expanding happens I don’t know exactly how to explain it.
2) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before we started this dialogue? Please report from the past couple of days.
ANSWER:
Before there was a slight resistance and wanting to get rid of thoughts, emotions, when I was inquiring into them I realised there was a subtle unconscious motive that if I did that they will go.
Then the realisation occurred that it’s all just consciousness and when not reported to a seperate self and when removing all labels, there is no resistance, everything is accommodated and every appearance is a sense gate into unbound consciousness.
3) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?
ANSWER:
5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control.
ANSWER:
These are subtle delusion’s. Decisions, Free Will, Choice & Control are influenced by the forces of life, including conditioning etc. it’s just an illusion that we might think we’re in control of these things. But we are being lived by life.
6) What makes things happen? How does it work?
ANSWER:
Life influences our conditioning which affects what we think, feel and ultimately do. Forces of life influences everything.
7) What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
ANSWER:
There doesn’t appear to be a “seperate self” that’s responsible for anything. The more this is seen the more things seem to be in harmony.
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ANSWER:
No.
It’s just like a movie that’s playing on a screen but the “I/ Self/ Me” has never been seperate from anything.
1) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
ANSWER:
The illusion of the seperate self is when consciousness fixates on the movie on the the characters, the story and takes itself to be that, forgetting it’s the entirety of the screen that the movie’s playing out on.
How I see and experience this now is a thought arises, attention might go to it for a moment then awareness dilates out and I see it as something arising in a kind of unbounded vastness, the thought has not boundaries, it’s just consciousness. Then a kind of dropping in or expanding happens I don’t know exactly how to explain it.
2) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before we started this dialogue? Please report from the past couple of days.
ANSWER:
Before there was a slight resistance and wanting to get rid of thoughts, emotions, when I was inquiring into them I realised there was a subtle unconscious motive that if I did that they will go.
Then the realisation occurred that it’s all just consciousness and when not reported to a seperate self and when removing all labels, there is no resistance, everything is accommodated and every appearance is a sense gate into unbound consciousness.
3) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?
ANSWER:
5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control.
ANSWER:
These are subtle delusion’s. Decisions, Free Will, Choice & Control are influenced by the forces of life, including conditioning etc. it’s just an illusion that we might think we’re in control of these things. But we are being lived by life.
6) What makes things happen? How does it work?
ANSWER:
Life influences our conditioning which affects what we think, feel and ultimately do. Forces of life influences everything.
7) What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
ANSWER:
There doesn’t appear to be a “seperate self” that’s responsible for anything. The more this is seen the more things seem to be in harmony.
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Thank you also for your insights they have been really helpful and have shined some light on areas where identification and separation are still playing out.
I look forward to exploring more with like minded ppl at some stage as sometimes this can feel isolating which I’m aware is just a sensation to be with also.
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I look forward to exploring more with like minded ppl at some stage as sometimes this can feel isolating which I’m aware is just a sensation to be with also.
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Beautiful, please answer also: What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?
And what you call consciousness, is it in any way separate from life and perception? Or is consciousness just one word for this/life/that which is beyond words?
And what you call consciousness, is it in any way separate from life and perception? Or is consciousness just one word for this/life/that which is beyond words?
With love,
Elad
Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.
- Kahlil Gibran
One gets there by being there.
- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)
Elad
Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.
- Kahlil Gibran
One gets there by being there.
- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)
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MichelleR86
- Posts: 21
- Joined: Thu Mar 07, 2024 5:54 am
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Sorry I was intending to come bank to that question and forgot.
• What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?
The initial catalyst to look was to find relief from mind identified suffering.
I don’t know if I can pin point exactly what was the last bit that pushed me over and made me look but I feel like when I experienced reality from a place that wasn’t limited to the mind it made me realise truth was all around me and it wasn’t to be found through the mind.
• And what you call consciousness, is it in any way separate from life and perception? Or is consciousness just one word for this/life/that which is beyond words?
Consciousness is just one word that encompasses it all “this/ life & beyond”
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• What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?
The initial catalyst to look was to find relief from mind identified suffering.
I don’t know if I can pin point exactly what was the last bit that pushed me over and made me look but I feel like when I experienced reality from a place that wasn’t limited to the mind it made me realise truth was all around me and it wasn’t to be found through the mind.
• And what you call consciousness, is it in any way separate from life and perception? Or is consciousness just one word for this/life/that which is beyond words?
Consciousness is just one word that encompasses it all “this/ life & beyond”
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Dear Michelle the 3 other guides had no questions, meaning that you graduated LU :) You will be invited to the Unleashed Facebook group and I will be happy to connect with you there. You can also email me to eladexplore1111@gmail.com. Either way, when we connect let's talk about opportunities to meet and explore with other gatecrashers. It has been a pleasure to walk with you 🤍
With love,
Elad
Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.
- Kahlil Gibran
One gets there by being there.
- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)
Elad
Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.
- Kahlil Gibran
One gets there by being there.
- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)
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MichelleR86
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That’s wonderful. Thank you so much for your time and guidance it has been so valuable.
I will join the Facebook page and look forward to connecting.
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I will join the Facebook page and look forward to connecting.
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🙏💗🙋🏻That’s wonderful. Thank you so much for your time and guidance it has been so valuable.
I will join the Facebook page and look forward to connecting.
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With love,
Elad
Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.
- Kahlil Gibran
One gets there by being there.
- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)
Elad
Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.
- Kahlil Gibran
One gets there by being there.
- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)
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